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    Re: Freeway Flag - Display Of Patriotism Or Graffiti?

    If the muralist didn't own the wall, then it would be graffiti. However, I think California waited to take it down so that they wouldn't be seen as "anti-American." After all, it was done right after 9-11. I think it's unpatriotic to vandalize someone else's property. This country gives us personal rights and freedoms, and the artist violated someone else's when he defaced their property. There would be nothing wrong with it if it was his wall he placed the mural on. However, it was right for them to remove the flag. Graffiti that looks patriotic shouldn't receive exceptions. if someone painted a mural the wall of your house with a patriotic scene, should there be an exception to the vandalism case and a delay in removing it?
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    Re: Freeway Flag - Display Of Patriotism Or Graffiti?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    If the muralist didn't own the wall, then it would be graffiti. However, I think California waited to take it down so that they wouldn't be seen as "anti-American." After all, it was done right after 9-11. I think it's unpatriotic to vandalize someone else's property. This country gives us personal rights and freedoms, and the artist violated someone else's when he defaced their property. There would be nothing wrong with it if it was his wall he placed the mural on. However, it was right for them to remove the flag. Graffiti that looks patriotic shouldn't receive exceptions. if someone painted a mural the wall of your house with a patriotic scene, should there be an exception to the vandalism case and a delay in removing it?
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    Re: Freeway Flag - Display Of Patriotism Or Graffiti?

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This is too much and if we are not careful it will spread. We already have schools that no longer say the pledge because Liberal idiot teachers refuse to lead it in class where a young man had to fight to even get flags returned,

    We have allowed the wacko Liberals to push us around and it's time to push back and be serious about it.

    Freeway Flag - Display Of Patriotism Or Graffiti? - News Story - KTVU San Francisco
    "Posted: 10:05 pm PDT July 1, 2010Updated: 3:03 am PDT July 2, 2010
    SUNOL, CAlif. -- Interstate 680, in and out of the Silicon Valley, is one of the bay area's busiest freeways. And everyday for the last eight and half years there was a hillside mural motorists passed on the Sunol grade.

    "It just made me feel really patriotic, just seeing it everyday," said motorcyclist Dave Freely.

    Until Wednesday, motorists saw a 35 foot mural of the American flag painted on a concrete retaining wall.

    On Thursday, it was just gray concrete painted over by Caltrans.

    "It was put on the list for graffiti removal and yesterday morning they painted over it with grey concrete paint," said Allyn Amsk of Caltrans.

    "It should not be classified as graffiti. I mean it was a well done flag and and I felt like it's part of America," objected the flag muralist Eric Noda.

    About a week after 9-11. Eric Noda was photographed roller painting the flag mural. It took him three hours to finish.

    He and friends R.J. Waldron and Thomas Hanley picked the spot to express their patriotism after the terrorist attack.

    "It's kind of a landmark for me and it reminds me of that day and the time in the wake of 9-11," said Noda.

    But why did Caltrans wait so long to remove the flag?

    "Maintenance wasn't aware that it was on the state right-of-way or you know it would have been removed sometime in the past," said Amsk.

    Regular 680 commuters said they were upset."
    Oh good, a clean canvis. Where can I send my donation and design sugestions for the new flag painting?

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    Re: Freeway Flag - Display Of Patriotism Or Graffiti?

    What do think would happen if they repaint it with an "Obama 2012" logo somewhere?

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    Re: Freeway Flag - Display Of Patriotism Or Graffiti?

    Conservative: It was patriotic.

    Liberal: It was graffiti.

    Conservative: It was patriotic.

    Liberal: It was graffiti.

    Conservative: It was patriotic.

    Liberal: It was graffiti.

    DanaRhea: Hold it. You are both right. Yes, it is graffiti, but it is also patriotic. Problem here is that, although I admire whoever painted it, it was painted on property he did not own, which makes it removable. If the flag is allowed to stay, then what next? You will have all kinds of people screaming that their own rights were violated too, because their graffiti was removed. In the end, highways are for moving people from one place to another, not for political statements, no matter how much I agree with them.
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    Re: Freeway Flag - Display Of Patriotism Or Graffiti?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Conservative: It was patriotic.

    Liberal: It was graffiti.

    Conservative: It was patriotic.

    Liberal: It was graffiti.

    Conservative: It was patriotic.

    Liberal: It was graffiti.

    DanaRhea: Hold it. You are both right. Yes, it is graffiti, but it is also patriotic. Problem here is that, although I admire whoever painted it, it was painted on property he did not own, which makes it removable. If the flag is allowed to stay, then what next? You will have all kinds of people screaming that their own rights were violated too, because their graffiti was removed. In the end, highways are for moving people from one place to another, not for political statements, no matter how much I agree with them.
    Or the Mayer could just declair that this particuler piece of graffiti has cultural value, pass a memo to CalTrans not to distroy it, and get some posative name recegnition in the process.

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    Re: Freeway Flag - Display Of Patriotism Or Graffiti?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Or the Mayer could just declair that this particuler piece of graffiti has cultural value, pass a memo to CalTrans not to distroy it, and get some posative name recegnition in the process.
    And in doing so, then encourages others to break the law and put graffiti up hoping the city will do the same. Is that really a good idea?

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    Re: Freeway Flag - Display Of Patriotism Or Graffiti?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Or the Mayer could just declair that this particuler piece of graffiti has cultural value, pass a memo to CalTrans not to distroy it, and get some posative name recegnition in the process.
    I think if you're going to preserve graffiti for its "cultural value," it should be a mural which depicts a naked woman upon whom the flag of the United States has been applied with body paint.

    THAT has cultural value.
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    Re: Freeway Flag - Display Of Patriotism Or Graffiti?

    It's too bad that they didn't take a picture of the flag art right before it was painted over. It appears that the only image they could find was a random video camera shot from a poor angle that might have been taken years ago. Red paint is always at the mercy of Old Sol. 8 years of red paint in the sun should have been faded something terrible. Pink, white, and peeled blue are not our country's colors. I think that there is a similar, but smaller, flag painted on the Grapevine Lake spillway. <goes off to find picture>

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    Re: Freeway Flag - Display Of Patriotism Or Graffiti?

    OK, this one is more Lone-Star patriotic, but look at the condition of the red paint>


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