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    Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Per the article:
    The new ordinance, which city officials called the strictest in the nation, allows adults in Chicago to buy one gun a month — 12 a year. But they must pay registration and permit fees and take five hours of training.

    The measure...bars gun owners from so much as stepping outside their homes with a handgun, even if it’s only onto their porches or garages.
    According to the SCotUS, the right to arms is a fundamental right, proctected by the Constitution.

    As such, restrictions on fundamental rights are subjected to a strict scrutiny test to determine of they violate the constitution. Under this test, the restriction is assumned to be unconstitutional until proven otherwise.

    For those that support this new law or the things included in it:
    Under the terms of strict scrunity, show that these things do not violate the constitution.
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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Per the article:


    According to the SCotUS, the right to arms is a fundamental right, proctected by the Constitution.

    As such, restrictions on fundamental rights are subjected to a strict scrutiny test to determine of they violate the constitution. Under this test, the restriction is assumned to be unconstitutional until proven otherwise.

    For those that support this new law or the things included in it:
    Under the terms of strict scrunity, show that these things do not violate the constitution.
    SCOTUS also calls marriage a fundamental right, yet conservatives are generally in support of restrictions on that.

    As far as this goes, I'm not really sure what legitimate state interest is served by the 1-per-month limit. How often do people buy 12 guns per year anyway? Couple years of that and you've got a serious arsenal. The people who do this are probably collectors or serious hobbyists, (or run a gun store, but I imagine a business is exempt?) not exactly the sort of people who go out and rob liquor stores.

    The training part I'm ok with. Too many idiots out there with no idea how to properly handle a gun. Trigger discipline, what's that?
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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Why do politicians waste time and money writing and enacting laws that are almost guaranteed to be struck down by a Supreme Court? Waste of tax payer dollars.
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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    SCOTUS also calls marriage a fundamental right, yet conservatives are generally in support of restrictions on that.
    Red herring.
    Aside from that - legal marriage exists because the state created it, and can be elimitaed by the state at any time. Thus, marriage is a privilege.

    The training part I'm ok with. Too many idiots out there with no idea how to properly handle a gun.
    Ok... how does this pass strict scrutiny?

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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Red herring.
    Aside from that - legal marriage exists because the state created it, and can be elimitaed by the state at any time. Thus, marriage is a privilege.
    No, marriage has been ruled to be a fundamental right by the SCotUS in at least two different rulings. Marriage is not a privilege, it is a right.

    Ok... how does this pass strict scrutiny?
    I don't believe it does pass scrutiny.

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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Per the article:


    According to the SCotUS, the right to arms is a fundamental right, proctected by the Constitution.

    As such, restrictions on fundamental rights are subjected to a strict scrutiny test to determine of they violate the constitution. Under this test, the restriction is assumned to be unconstitutional until proven otherwise.

    For those that support this new law or the things included in it:
    Under the terms of strict scrunity, show that these things do not violate the constitution.
    Just don't comply with it.
    It's very unlikely anyone will even know.

    Also, Daley is a dumb ass, along with the city council.
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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Did they actually say "strict scrutiny" in the latest opinion?? If so that is AWESOME!!

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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    It's simply more wasted tax payer money - as this law like the others before it will inevitably be challenged in court. I guess Chicago has nothing better to do than prepare and lose lawsuits.
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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's simply more wasted tax payer money - as this law like the others before it will inevitably be challenged in court. I guess Chicago has nothing better to do than prepare and lose lawsuits.
    They can win, technically, because they didn't ban guns in total.
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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They can win, technically, because they didn't ban guns in total.
    I don't think so. It won't be seen as reasonable or within the spirit of the prior rulings to make bringing a handgun outside of one's home illegal. Like I said, it'll be challenged and yet again it Chicago will lose... I don't think the SCOTUS will be immune to the obvious games Chicago is playing either. Either way, it's still a waste of tax payer money.
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