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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    This is a state issue and not a national/federal issue.
    Illinois Constitution
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    Section 22 Right to Arms
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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    This is a state issue and not a national/federal issue.
    Illinois Constitution
    Article 1 – Bill of Rights
    Section 22 – Right to Arms
    not true since the 14th amendment imposes constitutional rights on the states



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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Per the article:


    According to the SCotUS, the right to arms is a fundamental right, proctected by the Constitution.

    As such, restrictions on fundamental rights are subjected to a strict scrutiny test to determine of they violate the constitution. Under this test, the restriction is assumned to be unconstitutional until proven otherwise.

    For those that support this new law or the things included in it:
    Under the terms of strict scrunity, show that these things do not violate the constitution.
    Seeing how the police are forced to remind suspects of their 4th amendment rights then perhaps there should be a federal law mandating that all politicians read out loud the whole constitution before they make or vote any laws. Because apparently Chicago needs to be reminded that the 2nd amendment exists.
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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Seeing how the police are forced to remind suspects of their 4th amendment rights then perhaps there should be a federal law mandating that all politicians read out loud the whole constitution before they make or vote any laws. Because apparently Chicago needs to be reminded that the 2nd amendment exists.
    criminals hate honest people being armed

    Daley is a criminal so his antics are understandable



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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    criminals hate honest people being armed

    Daley is a criminal so his antics are understandable
    I think governments in general hate honest people being armed, not just the criminals. A unarmed population is less likely to revolt regardless of how far the government goes.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think governments in general hate honest people being armed, not just the criminals. A unarmed population is less likely to revolt regardless of how far the government goes.
    true-and politicians who want to loot and rape the population are the worst of all. IE collectivists and Daley is a statist scumbag of the worst kind



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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    NorthJersey.com: A balanced gun ruling

    Justices have also affirmed the ability of states to regulate guns. A ruling issued this week "limits (but by no means eliminates) their ability to devise solutions to social problems that suit local needs and values," Justice Samuel Alito wrote in the 5-4 split decision.
    Last week's SCOTUS ruling affirmed the second amendment, but also gave leeway for regulation. It looks like what Chicago is doing is within current law.

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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Per the article:


    According to the SCotUS, the right to arms is a fundamental right, proctected by the Constitution.

    As such, restrictions on fundamental rights are subjected to a strict scrutiny test to determine of they violate the constitution. Under this test, the restriction is assumned to be unconstitutional until proven otherwise.

    For those that support this new law or the things included in it:
    Under the terms of strict scrunity, show that these things do not violate the constitution.
    Is this the same legislation that I heard being proposed that will require getting a renewal on your registration every month? If so then it will be overturned because that would clearly be putting a huge financial road block in the way of exercising a fundamental right.

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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    NorthJersey.com: A balanced gun ruling



    Last week's SCOTUS ruling affirmed the second amendment, but also gave leeway for regulation. It looks like what Chicago is doing is within current law.
    If this is the law which requires registration renewal every month it will be challenged and Chicago will lose, you can't put financial road blocks like that in the way of exercising fundamental rights, it would be like ordering people to pay $50 a month (probably more for gun registration) to register to vote.

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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    If this is the law which requires registration renewal every month it will be challenged and Chicago will lose, you can't put financial road blocks like that in the way of exercising fundamental rights, it would be like ordering people to pay $50 a month (probably more for gun registration) to register to vote.
    But voting is different from other fundamental rights in that the 24th amendment protects from poll taxes, so this analogy isn't really apt. It's more like charging $50 for a permit for a parade, which is not a violation of the right to peaceable assembly.

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