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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    That sounds like something Lee Harvey Oswald would say.
    or the guy who took out Hughey Long or the patriot who shot a british general in one of the revolutionary war battles. Brits complained that yankee sharpshooters shot officers first. Its an effective tactic and while it was fictional-Mel Gibson's "Patriot" told his sons to take out the officers first. If the poop hits the fan, the people to target are the political leaders that cause the problems, not some 22 year old staff sgt running a tank or a infantryman patroling the streets.



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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You're right. When I state that it is every bit as important as those other rights, I am not pretending.

    You pretending it isnt is nothing but a subective and self-serving means to excuse restrictions agianst it - it is impossibel for you to make a sound argument for the idea that the right to arms is somehow a 'lesser' right.

    And your refusal to respond to the other points is noted, as is your concession of same.
    Seriously? The right to bear arms is as important to you as the right to free speech? Or due process? If you had to choose between giving up the right to bear arms and the right to free speech you would be torn?

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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You may note that the only time it gets brought UP is when assholes try to TAKE it. Typically, most people that believe in their second amendment rights arent running around forcing it on others, they are fighting people trying to infringe on their rights.
    To my knowledge no federal elected official has every tried to ban all guns. I dunno. Maybe there is some case out there where some nut did, but certainly there is zero chance of that actually happening... What you are talking about isn't people trying to take away the right to bear arms. It is people trying to attach reasonable safety restrictions- prohibitions in high population density areas, trigger locks, gun safety course requirements, background checks, etc...

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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    or the guy who took out Hughey Long
    You means the assassin and criminal? Yeah, I buy that.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    or the patriot who shot a british general in one of the revolutionary war battles.
    You mean a member of the military in a time of war?

    Forgive me, but I don't see the similarities.

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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Seriously? The right to bear arms is as important to you as the right to free speech? Or due process? If you had to choose between giving up the right to bear arms and the right to free speech you would be torn?

    I don't have to give up either, because I am armed and can resist such tyranny.

    You don't have a clue what it would take to resist gov't tyranny. I told you to look up Fourth Generation Warfare. And who says that the entire military would be on the government's side?


    What you are talking about isn't people trying to take away the right to bear arms. It is people trying to attach reasonable safety restrictions- prohibitions in high population density areas, trigger locks, gun safety course requirements, background checks, etc...
    No.

    These things are not acceptible. They are not acceptible because they don't work as proclaimed, are not Constitutional, and are anti-liberty.

    I will therefore resist them with every means at my disposal to my last breath. You will never persuade me to acceed to your demands.

    Also, I hate to tell you, for the past 20 years the US has been strongly trending AWAY from gun control, and the odds of you getting your way are very very slim.

    This makes me happy.

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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    To my knowledge no federal elected official has every tried to ban all guns. I dunno. Maybe there is some case out there where some nut did, but certainly there is zero chance of that actually happening... What you are talking about isn't people trying to take away the right to bear arms. It is people trying to attach reasonable safety restrictions- prohibitions in high population density areas, trigger locks, gun safety course requirements, background checks, etc...
    1) no one would call for a complete ban because they would be destroyed politically but that is why they use an incremental approach

    2) what you call reasonable restrictions merely demonstrate you have no reasonable knowledge about firearms

    3) do you think women being told to wait a day before having an abortion was designed for anything other than an attempt to deter abortions?



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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You means the assassin and criminal? Yeah, I buy that.


    You mean a member of the military in a time of war?

    Forgive me, but I don't see the similarities.
    Of course you don't



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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    If you had to choose between giving up the right to bear arms and the right to free speech you would be torn?
    I'd shoot the bastards trying to take my free speech and keep both. All rights are equally valuable and all must be upheld to their maximum.
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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I don't have to give up either, because I am armed and can resist such tyranny.

    You don't have a clue what it would take to resist gov't tyranny. I told you to look up Fourth Generation Warfare. And who says that the entire military would be on the government's side?




    No.

    These things are not acceptible. They are not acceptible because they don't work as proclaimed, are not Constitutional, and are anti-liberty.

    I will therefore resist them with every means at my disposal to my last breath. You will never persuade me to acceed to your demands.

    Also, I hate to tell you, for the past 20 years the US has been strongly trending AWAY from gun control, and the odds of you getting your way are very very slim.

    This makes me happy.
    years ago I was at a Party with family friends including One Rob Portman-then a congressman and currently the Ohio GOP senate candidate. The topic of gun control was being raised by a pampered poodle masquerading as some rich man's wife and she was whining to Rob how he should vote for the clinton gun bans because she was afraid of blacks with guns stealing her mercedes. When I interceded she gave me the same crap that 100 million armed citizens couldn't stop a communist government etc. So I asked Rob--I said, hey Rob if you knew that if you voted for a law making anyone who owned a gun a felon facing a 10 year sentence for mere possession and you also knew someone like me was going to do everything possible to kill you and your children in retribution would you vote for that law because such a law would turn us into slaves?

    (he's very pro gun so we both were secretely laughing as the poodle looked shocked) He said of course not and he said that such thoughts actually worry some of the gun haters on the left.



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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    To my knowledge no federal elected official has every tried to ban all guns.
    You don't throw the frog into a pot of boiling water. You throw the frog into a pot of cool water and then turn on the heat.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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