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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its so funny how the other 9 amendments to the bill of rights were meant for ALL citizens at ALL times...but the framers inserted THIS ONE AMENDMENT...the 2nd...in...for ONLY the purpose of opposing tyrannical governments...the leftist argument against the 2nd amendment is in a word...moronic.
    yeah or how "the people" in several other amendments clearly means individuals and not "the several states" but somehow, the founders-who also used the term "the several states" forgot that term and meant "the several states" in the second amendment where they used "the people"



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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its so funny how the other 9 amendments to the bill of rights were meant for ALL citizens at ALL times...but the framers inserted THIS ONE AMENDMENT...the 2nd...in...for ONLY the purpose of opposing tyrannical governments...the leftist argument against the 2nd amendment is in a word...moronic.
    It doesn't appear that you read my post...

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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    It doesn't appear that you read my post...
    Of course I did. You want to know what might REALLY make a difference? Dip**** politicians and anti 2nd amendment types focusing on the ILLEGAL firearm ownership and use of and by criminals. Its stupid that we continue to even HAVE discussions on the 2nd amendment. Its meaning...its purpose...its intent as a component of INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS is undeniable. So...instead if people REALLY care about gun violence they will specifically target those that are using them to slaughter so many people in Chicago and Washington DC...and California...and everywhere else the liberal agenda has made an issue of banning firearms.

    Now...why do you suppose they dont put all their effort into fighting the gun violence and murders...gosh...golly...I just cant ****ing imagine...

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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The second amendment is the most disproportionately hyped amendment... The original rationale of allowing the people to overthrow the government if need be is no longer relevant. Military capabilities just radically exceed anything you could counter with over the counter firearms. The notion that a gun provides for self defense is highly suspect. Most studies show that it actually makes you less safe, not more. Even if it was effective for self defense, stranger violence practically doesn't exist at all in the US. Your odds of being murdered by a stranger are approximately 1 in a million each year... So, it basically just comes down to people like guns because they think they're cool or they have some insecurity they're trying to make up for or whatever.

    So, fine, we get it. Some people like guns and the right to have them is protected by the constitution. Cool beans. Nobody is trying to take away the right to have guns, they just don't want you to use them responsibly and to put some limits on them in high population density places where it's really easy for a stray bullet to hit somebody. No big deal, just chill out and focus your energies on something useful instead...
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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Of course I did. You want to know what might REALLY make a difference? Dip**** politicians and anti 2nd amendment types focusing on the ILLEGAL firearm ownership and use of and by criminals. Its stupid that we continue to even HAVE discussions on the 2nd amendment. Its meaning...its purpose...its intent as a component of INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS is undeniable. So...instead if people REALLY care about gun violence they will specifically target those that are using them to slaughter so many people in Chicago and Washington DC...and California...and everywhere else the liberal agenda has made an issue of banning firearms.

    Now...why do you suppose they dont put all their effort into fighting the gun violence and murders...gosh...golly...I just cant ****ing imagine...
    1) the ARC claim that gun laws-such as the crap Bugsy Daley is trying to ram through are designed to stop criminals

    2) in reality, the ARC is trying to disarm honest people for several reasons

    a) disarmed people faced with high crime are more likely to cede rights to the government
    b) disarmed people are less likely to kill criminals-and criminals tend to be dem constituents
    c) in extreme situations, disarmed citizens are less likely to be able to do a "Hughey Long" on predatory polticians
    d) by banning legitimate gun use, the ARC decreases the membership and power of pro gun groups and since pro gun groups tend to channel money towards pro gun candidates, the ARC helps anti gun politicians get elected

    Trying to "convince" ARC members that gun control does not stop criminals is worthless since the ARC has no cares about criminals. The ARC KNOWS that gun laws they push don't affect criminals and they don't care because crime control is not what motivates their actions

    so it is a waste of time to try to convince gun haters that their schemes don't make us safer.



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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) the ARC claim that gun laws-such as the crap Bugsy Daley is trying to ram through are designed to stop criminals

    2) in reality, the ARC is trying to disarm honest people for several reasons

    a) disarmed people faced with high crime are more likely to cede rights to the government
    b) disarmed people are less likely to kill criminals-and criminals tend to be dem constituents
    c) in extreme situations, disarmed citizens are less likely to be able to do a "Hughey Long" on predatory polticians
    d) by banning legitimate gun use, the ARC decreases the membership and power of pro gun groups and since pro gun groups tend to channel money towards pro gun candidates, the ARC helps anti gun politicians get elected

    Trying to "convince" ARC members that gun control does not stop criminals is worthless since the ARC has no cares about criminals. The ARC KNOWS that gun laws they push don't affect criminals and they don't care because crime control is not what motivates their actions

    so it is a waste of time to try to convince gun haters that their schemes don't make us safer.
    Nah...I'll be even more blunt. The 'civil rights groups' and liberal politicians refuse to target the violence because it makes it hard to pretend you give a **** about minorities when you are being tough on ALL criminals. Its also REALLY tough to blame white people and appeal to white guilt and point the finger of blame at everyone else if you are expecting your community en masse to stand on their own two feet, universally denounce the gang bull**** and violence, and actually do things that might make a positive difference in the minority and poor communities. Why...then you would have capable and able people succeeding..and who then would you pander to for votes?

    You look at this recent polling intimidation bull****. If ever there where an opportunity to take a stand and say...you know what? Thats WRONG and there is NO excuse for it and YOUR stupid asses belong in prison...this was the case. But no...they excuse it...justify it...pretend its no big deal...and some even applaud it. This last case involving the 'new black panthers' says ALL we will EVER need to know...not about the douchebags that did it...we already get them loud and clear-they are black Klansmen, afro David Dukes...but about the idiots on the left that dont lead the charge in burying those three pices of ****.

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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The second amendment is the most disproportionately hyped amendment... The original rationale of allowing the people to overthrow the government if need be is no longer relevant. Military capabilities just radically exceed anything you could counter with over the counter firearms.
    That means the restrictions on arms ownership by the citizens are unreasonably strict. The fullest intent of the Second Amendment is that the citizens will have enough cumulative fire power to deter any would be tyrant. Hence, if the citizens do not presently have that superiority, then the government has been over zealous in regulating arms.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The notion that a gun provides for self defense is highly suspect. Most studies show that it actually makes you less safe, not more.
    And real studies, not to mention basic market theory, says that gun ownership and carrying reduces crime, even when the firearm is not itself fired.

    It's amazing how so many brave rapists and robbers run away at the sight of a pistol in the hands of the would-be victim.

    Also, NOT having any guns certainly made those Luby's Cafeteria customers and those Virginia Tech students so much safer.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Even if it was effective for self defense,
    It is effective.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    stranger violence practically doesn't exist at all in the US.
    So? When it does, it's going to be reduced when the stranger victim has that chemically propelled lead pellet equalizer.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Your odds of being murdered by a stranger are approximately 1 in a million each year... So, it basically just comes down to people like guns because they think they're cool or they have some insecurity they're trying to make up for or whatever.
    What it really comes down to is some people can't face the fact that the people in this nation don't have to rely on the government to protect them from crime, they have the Constitutional right to defend themselves with deadly force, and they have to right to own the means to do so.

    There's three hundred million people in this country. How many innocent people are shot and killed by lawfully licensed gun owners? One in million?

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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    That means the restrictions on arms ownership by the citizens are unreasonably strict. The fullest intent of the Second Amendment is that the citizens will have enough cumulative fire power to deter any would be tyrant. Hence, if the citizens do not presently have that superiority, then the government has been over zealous in regulating arms.
    That was indeed the intent, but it just isn't reasonable any more. In order for the citizenry to be able to counter the military today would require allowing civilians to get nuclear weapons, surface to air missles, stealth fighters... Nobody actually wants that, right? Al Qaeda could just come pick up a nuke at the wal-mart.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    There's three hundred million people in this country. How many innocent people are shot and killed by lawfully licensed gun owners? One in million?
    There are about 28 thousand gun related deaths in the US a year. So that's about 1 in 10 thousand Americans a year. Not that many in the big picture, but not an inconsequential number either. Like I said though, nobody is advocating taking away your guns. We're advocating responsible gun ownership is all. You guys just need to chill out about it. Accept some reasonable safety requirements and focus on something important instead.

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    Re: Chicago approves new handgun restrictions

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    I didn't say which was which...
    I know. I siezed the moment.

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