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    Re: Scientists Cite Fastest Case of Human Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    And much of the reason you've arrived at that conclusion is because you WANTED to arrive at that conclusion. Tell me where the first spec of matter and/or energy came from, and how evolution could have allowed it to be in the first place if their wasn't a greater hand involved.

    There is far more sensibility in the existence of God than there is that all this just got here for no apparent reason and with no particular design in place.
    And you arrived at your conclusion because you WANTED to... if god created the universe... what created god?

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    Re: Scientists Cite Fastest Case of Human Evolution

    This study doesn't point to evolution, if anything it's natural selection. This study isn't even confirmed yet, yet the scientists and the NYT are pushing it as if it's settled and proves evolution. How dishonest.
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    Re: Scientists Cite Fastest Case of Human Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by fishinRod View Post
    if humans evolved from monkeys, why do we still have monkeys?
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    Evolution is far from proven in that regard. There is zero evidence that humans came from monkeys.
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    Tell me where the first spec of matter and/or energy came from, and how evolution could have allowed it to be in the first place if their wasn't a greater hand involved.
    Statements like these are laughable because they are made in all seriousness, yet they scream ignorance on the subject just as loudly as someone who thought school was spelled skool reveals a lack of basic literacy.
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    Re: Scientists Cite Fastest Case of Human Evolution

    I see them used interchangably too often so just wanting to clarify.

    Do you mean Creationists as in LITERAL creationists, IE those that believe the earth is as old as the Bible says it is and men lived in the time of Dinosaurs and fossil records are absolutely false and god went "poof" and man was there...

    Or do you mean creationists as in the derogatory term placed on people who believe in Intelligent Design?

    Because while I understand evolution is in general a rather disliked and disputed notion to literal creationists, I thought with most ID'ers the notion of evolution isn't just not disputed but is readily accepted as a generalized idea?

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    Re: Scientists Cite Fastest Case of Human Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Statements like these are laughable because they are made in all seriousness, yet they scream ignorance on the subject just as loudly as someone who thought school was spelled skool reveals a lack of basic literacy.
    While I think the first two don't really add anything, the notion of the last one is sound.

    If matter or energy can not simply be created from nothing then from whence did the first thing government by the laws of nature come from that allowed this to happen. Its the horrendous chicken and egg issue that seems to have little true answer unless one essentially steps outside of the question itself.

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    Re: Scientists Cite Fastest Case of Human Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    While I think the first two don't really add anything, the notion of the last one is sound.

    If matter or energy can not simply be created from nothing then from whence did the first thing government by the laws of nature come from that allowed this to happen. Its the horrendous chicken and egg issue that seems to have little true answer unless one essentially steps outside of the question itself.
    however that is not in any way related to, or a part of the theory of evolution and that is what screams ignorance, the conflating evolution into a theory that is supposedly explaining the origin of the universe, matter. or even the origin of life. And that does scream ignorance on the subject.
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    Re: Scientists Cite Fastest Case of Human Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    however that is not in any way related to, or a part of the theory of evolution and that is what screams ignorance, the conflating evolution into a theory that is supposedly explaining the origin of the universe, matter. or life for that matter. And that does scream ignorance on the subject.
    Except the OP made the creation of the world a bit of the subject by specifically setting out to target creationists, as evolution is directly tied in as a counter to their belief of how the universe and life came to be.

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    Re: Scientists Cite Fastest Case of Human Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Except the OP made the creation of the world a bit of the subject by specifically setting out to target creationists, as evolution is directly tied in as a counter to their belief of how the universe and life came to be.
    but what I quoted specifically asked:

    Tell me where the first spec of matter and/or energy came from, and how evolution could have allowed it
    evolution has nothing to do with, nor makes any claimns on the creation of matter.
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    Re: Scientists Cite Fastest Case of Human Evolution

    Meh, I just read it as a poor attempting at allow for it.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but using the theory of evolution to explain the process in which all life came to be in its present form on earth requires that life originated in some way. For life to have originated in some way something would've had to happen to initate that possability. So for evolution to even happen to be able to be pointed at the way in which life as we know it came to exist as we know it upon in regards to its present form, it has to have some kind of starting point?

    Essentially, the OP seems to be arguing against the Creationist notion of God creating life by proving there's evolution. It appears the poster in response was attempting to say unless one can prove where the initial portions of matter that led to the ability for evolution to have the needed lifeforms to begin to occur then the notion that evolution exists does not disprove the generalized notion of creationism.

    Am I wrong in my understanding that evolution as a theory is used to explain how life came to be as its is currently on this world, with various creatures evolving from more simple creatures over millions of years? And, while that's not the only way one can look at evolution, when one is specifically targetting Creatonists...whose entire view point revolves around CREATION not simply change...then its hard to suggest the type of evolutionary theory being spoken about isn't the one concerning lifeforms on the earth as we know them.

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    Re: Scientists Cite Fastest Case of Human Evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Meh, I just read it as a poor attempting at allow for it.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but using the theory of evolution to explain the process in which all life came to be in its present form on earth requires that life originated in some way....
    Evolution and how the first cell came into being are not the same.
    The concept/word is 'abiogeneis'

    Abiogenesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In natural science, abiogenesis (pronounced /ˌeɪbaɪ.ɵˈdʒɛnɨsɪs/, AY-bye-oh-JEN-ə-siss) or biopoesis is the theory of how life on Earth could have arisen from inanimate matter. It should Not be confused with evolution, which is the study of how groups of already living things change over time...
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