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    Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    WASHINGTON Hoping to breathe new life into the stalled immigration effort, President Barack Obama on Thursday blamed the delay on recalcitrant Republicans whom he said had given in to the "pressures of partisanship and election-year politics."
    Republicans responded that Obama's first step going forward must be to secure the border.
    In his first immigration speech, Obama took Republicans to task, in particular 11 GOP senators who had backed attempts during the previous Republican administration to tighten the immigration system. He did not call out anyone by name.
    Obama dismissed the focus on a "border security first" approach, saying the system is too big to be fixed "only with fences and border patrols." He advocated a comprehensive approach that would call on the government, businesses and illegal immigrants themselves to live up to their responsibilities within the law.


    The Associated Press: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    What the?.... too Big? What a loser this President is.


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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What the?.... too Big? What a loser this President is.


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    So he is a loser because he is right?

    Let me ask you this... why did the Republicans not do anything when they had absolute power.... you had 6 years.
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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    I've heard several times from folks on the left that they don't need Republicans since the Democrats have solid majorities in the House and Senate. If Obama is whining about the Republicans not supporting his efforts, then it can only mean he doesn't have all of the democrats on board with it.
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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Obama dismissed the focus on a "border security first" approach, saying the system is too big to be fixed "only with fences and border patrols." He advocated a comprehensive approach that would call on the government, businesses and illegal immigrants themselves to live up to their responsibilities within the law.
    He's absolutely right too. 'Securing the border' (whatever that means) will never solve our immigration problems on its own. To really make a difference, we need exactly what he said, a comprehensive approach that attacks the problem from several directions at once, and one of those absolutely has to be cracking down on businesses that hire illegals.

    Look at it this way.

    We've had a problem with illegal immigration in the US for decades, and the world hasn't ended.
    No solution is going to solve the problem immediately, it will take years, and even then nothing will fix the problem completely.
    This is a long-term problem, and it's not going to hurt to take some time to come up with a solution that will actually be effective. It's a far better idea than flailing about spending a ton of money on solutions that don't have a hope of fixing things.
    Anyone who says that something has to be done RIGHT NAO!!!!!! is either misinformed, or most likely just trying to get votes.
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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    He's absolutely right too. 'Securing the border' (whatever that means) will never solve our immigration problems on its own. To really make a difference, we need exactly what he said, a comprehensive approach that attacks the problem from several directions at once, and one of those absolutely has to be cracking down on businesses that hire illegals.

    Look at it this way.

    We've had a problem with illegal immigration in the US for decades, and the world hasn't ended.
    No solution is going to solve the problem immediately, it will take years, and even then nothing will fix the problem completely.
    This is a long-term problem, and it's not going to hurt to take some time to come up with a solution that will actually be effective. It's a far better idea than flailing about spending a ton of money on solutions that don't have a hope of fixing things.
    Anyone who says that something has to be done RIGHT NAO!!!!!! is either misinformed, or most likely just trying to get votes.
    actually there is a way to almost fix it 100%.. but the US is not ready to go that way... it is called a national ID that is required for everything from having a bank account, drivers license to owning and renting homes to getting a job or go to school.
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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Saying "we're taking a comprehensive approach" is politicianese for saying "we're going to act like it's very complicated and will be able to say that nothing has been done yet because we're working on something really, really, big." While doing nothing at all.

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    actually there is a way to almost fix it 100%.. but the US is not ready to go that way... it is called a national ID that is required for everything from having a bank account, drivers license to owning and renting homes to getting a job or go to school.
    I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but I don't think even that will solve the problem all by itself. People would just live under the radar, working for people who don't check ID, being paid cash, using public transportation, homeschooling, and living somewhere that doesn't check ID either (many of which illegals already do).
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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but I don't think even that will solve the problem all by itself. People would just live under the radar, working for people who don't check ID, being paid cash, using public transportation, homeschooling, and living somewhere that doesn't check ID either (many of which illegals already do).
    Which would all be illegal and require prison time and huge fines. Hence people wont do it.

    Face it... the problem is that there is too much money to be earned by exploiting illegals now. Make the cost of doing so, so high and the problem will become very small. For example a farmer who hires illegals to pick his fields.. would he do that if he even had a slight chance of getting busted and having his farm taken away from him? I doubt that.

    But there is no political will what so ever to do that.. all people want is to punish the illegals while letting the reason the illegals are here.. get away with murder so to say. As long as that is the political climate, then nothing will happen that is in any way productive.

    For example. In my home country we have had national ID system for over half a century now and our problem with illegal aliens is very limited since no one can function in society without the national ID. And for those that try, and get busted, the consequences for both parties but especially those that hire illegals is considerable.. everything from a huge fine, to jail and for the real bad ones, having your right to run said business or similar business taken away.
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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Obama is only trying to figure out a way to legalize all those future Democrat votes. That's the hold up.
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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Which would all be illegal and require prison time and huge fines. Hence people wont do it.

    Face it... the problem is that there is too much money to be earned by exploiting illegals now. Make the cost of doing so, so high and the problem will become very small. For example a farmer who hires illegals to pick his fields.. would he do that if he even had a slight chance of getting busted and having his farm taken away from him? I doubt that.
    The government couldn't take his farm, but anyway...

    But there is no political will what so ever to do that.. all people want is to punish the illegals while letting the reason the illegals are here.. get away with murder so to say. As long as that is the political climate, then nothing will happen that is in any way productive.
    No, you're wrong. The People want the government to get a handle on illegal immigration, by securing the border, deporting illegal aliens and making sure that American businesses aren't hiring illegal aliens.

    For example. In my home country we have had national ID system for over half a century now and our problem with illegal aliens is very limited since no one can function in society without the national ID. And for those that try, and get busted, the consequences for both parties but especially those that hire illegals is considerable.. everything from a huge fine, to jail and for the real bad ones, having your right to run said business or similar business taken away.
    That'll never happen in the United States, as long as w have a Democrat controlled congress. There are way too many Latino votes at stake.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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