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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yep, soo much anger that they voted for him again in 2004. Yep, that's a lot of anger
    Get with the program, mate.

    Americans aren't stupid.

    They knew perfectly well that if they didn't vote for Bush, the Evil Progressive, they were going to get stuck with Kerry, the Evil Progressive Purple Heart Pansy Gigolo from Taxachusetts.

    The Americans didn't have any choice, there.

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    And naturally you immediately had to rush to the Nazi comparison because you can't rationally defend your position.
    Oh right... Like "KILL EM ALL!" is a rational position...

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The cheap effective solution is widely dispersed anti-personnel explosives. The buzzards have to eat, same as the worms.

    Amazing what an effective deterrent land mines are, when used properly.
    So you have no real answer? You concede that there is no rational basis for your belief, but here you are still advocating it?

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Funny, because the bashing has been all about Obama like this immigration thing is completely his fault and no other presidents in the past.
    The Messiah decided to push for amnesty, so guess what?

    Now it's all his fault.

    That's how easy it is.

    Perhaps if he tried to resolve the problem instead pushing to make the problem worse, the Americans would give him the benefit of the doubt.

    Since the Community Organizer decided to make a major policy speech advocation the exact WORST thing to do, he's bought the whole issue.

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Oh right... Like "KILL EM ALL!" is a rational position...
    No, just kill the ones crossing the border.

    And, yes, that's the rational position.

    If the Invaders are irrational enough to want to intrude on geography interdicted by lethal force, then it would be completely irrational to allow them to proceed unopposed.

    Mad dogs exist to be shot. People who don't shoot mad dogs deserve to be bitten.

    I see no reason to allow my children to be bitten by mad dog intruders from Mexico.

    I'm rational.


    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So you have no real answer?
    What, you want to pretend you haven't read my posts, or are you simply posting blindly and really haven't read them?

    Enforcing border security EFFECTIVELY is an essential and major component of any policy addressing the reversal of the Invasion of the United States by Mexico.

    Period.

    Nations that allow themselves to be overrun by neighbors cease to exist. Hence people who promote or support such an invasion are either irrational or traitors.

    Defending the nation's border is the rational position.

    BTW, I'm a US military vet, I've no problems with killing the enemies of the Republic.

    When you grow up and learn some real history, you might understand.

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Invaders...Mad dogs...children to be bitten by mad dog intruders from Mexico.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I'm rational.
    Not really making a great case for your second point in your first one there kiddo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    What, you want to pretend you haven't read my posts, or are you simply posting blindly and really haven't read them?
    You haven't presented any disadvantage to a guest worker program, just some emotional comments about how you feel about illegal immigrants and a lot of fantasizing about killing Mexicans...

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Nations that allow themselves to be overrun by neighbors cease to exist.
    Um, the number of illegal immigrants in the US has been going down for years... Overrun... Cease to exist... Get real.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I've no problems with killing the enemies of the Republic.
    What am I supposed to say to that? You consider families moving here to be "enemies of the Republic" and "mad dogs" and whatnot... Sounds like out of control paranoia, likely with a strong dose of racism to me.

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, just kill the ones crossing the border.

    And, yes, that's the rational position.

    If the Invaders are irrational enough to want to intrude on geography interdicted by lethal force, then it would be completely irrational to allow them to proceed unopposed.

    Mad dogs exist to be shot. People who don't shoot mad dogs deserve to be bitten.

    I see no reason to allow my children to be bitten by mad dog intruders from Mexico.

    I'm rational.




    What, you want to pretend you haven't read my posts, or are you simply posting blindly and really haven't read them?

    Enforcing border security EFFECTIVELY is an essential and major component of any policy addressing the reversal of the Invasion of the United States by Mexico.

    Period.

    Nations that allow themselves to be overrun by neighbors cease to exist. Hence people who promote or support such an invasion are either irrational or traitors.

    Defending the nation's border is the rational position.

    BTW, I'm a US military vet, I've no problems with killing the enemies of the Republic.

    When you grow up and learn some real history, you might understand.
    Is this you? I think it just might be...

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Not really making a great case for your second point in your first one there kiddo.
    Outside of the fact that you're writing in sentence fragments, you're not refuting anything at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    You haven't presented any disadvantage to a guest worker program, just some emotional comments about how you feel about illegal immigrants and a lot of fantasizing about killing Mexicans...
    I don't need to present any disadvantages to a program we don't need.

    What's the purpose of a "guest worker program"? Why to allow industry to hire workers for less money than the pool of native workers are willing to subscribe to. Hence, a "guest worker program" automatically undercuts prevailing local wages and, unless there's nearly 100% employment in the NATION, the importation of foreign nationals does nothing except exlude locals from job opportunities.

    If an employer needs a task performed, and the local talent isn't willing to work for the wages offered, then the prospective employer needs to increase his offered wage until his hiring needs are met. Frankly, if a strawberry grower can't find pickers in Santa Maria, California, then he needs to be looking for employees from New York, Maine, or any of the other states, before he considers hiring aliens.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Um, the number of illegal immigrants in the US has been going down for years... Overrun... Cease to exist... Get real.
    No, the number of illegals in the nation has been rising for decades. (Hint: A decade is ten times longer than a year). What, you think the Invaders come over, at great expense and personal risk, spend a season picking lettuce, then GO BACK?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    What am I supposed to say to that?
    I'm not a Democratic Party Leader and thus have no expertise at putting words in people's mouths so they don't have to use their brains.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    You consider families moving here to be "enemies of the Republic" and "mad dogs" and whatnot... Sounds like out of control paranoia, likely with a strong dose of racism to me.
    Yes, I consider people who enter this country with the deliberate intent to break this nation's laws is an enemy of the Republic. I also recognize those natives who supports these invaders to be enemies of the Nation. It's really not complicated. If someone is promoting the dissolution of the United States, he's an enemy.

    Ah, yes, "racism", the argumental equivalent of the word "Nazi". You've shot that arrow, too.

    Should I play the "some of my best friends are Mexican" card now, or hold it for later?
    Last edited by Scarecrow Akhbar; 07-04-10 at 02:42 AM.

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I don't need to present any disadvantages to a program we don't need.

    What's the purpose of a "guest worker program"?
    To get them paying taxes is the biggest reason. Right now there is basically a big tax exemption for illegal immigrants. Why continue that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, the number of illegals in the nation has been rising for decades. (Hint: A decade is ten times longer than a year).
    I'm not sure what you're saying with that hint... It has increased decade-to-decade for a while, but I said the number of illegal immigrants in the country has been increasing for years... So what you are claiming doesn't even contradict that... You know the number has been falling for 2-3 years, right? We're down almost 2 million from where we were just 3 years ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    If someone is promoting the dissolution of the United States, he's an enemy.
    LOL. Drama queen much?

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    To get them paying taxes is the biggest reason. R
    You mean as opposed to opening those jobs to lawfull residents who are being denied jobs, and thus not paying taxes? I'm not opposed to getting Americans in those jobs so Americans can pay the taxes.

    Hmmmmm?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Right now there is basically a big tax exemption for illegal immigrants. Why continue that?
    Yes, why reward the lawbreaker with permanent legal residency when, by kicking them out, an American can get a job and provide for HIS family, instead?

    You seem to want to pretend that my solution of border security and immigration law enforcement doesn't recognize that illegals enter this country to steal jobs from Americans.

    Well, that's why they're here, and with a 15% or more real unemployment rate, there's not one single reason to want to let any Invader stay in this country.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I'm not sure what you're saying with that hint...
    Don't worry, most others will.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    It has increased decade-to-decade for a while, but I said the number of illegal immigrants in the country has been increasing for years...
    No, that's exactly the opposite of what you said.

    "Um, the number of illegal immigrants in the US has been going down for years... Overrun... Cease to exist... Get real."

    FYI, the phrase "going down", when you're outside of San Francisco, means "decreasing", not "increasing", though we can see way that concept might be confused in San Francisco.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So what you are claiming doesn't even contradict that... You know the number has been falling for 2-3 years, right? We're down almost 2 million from where we were just 3 years ago.
    No, the number hasn't been falling. But let's pretend they are. That means, instead of having 30,000,000 illegal Mexican criminals in the US, we now have 28,000,000 illegal Mexican criminals in the United States, which is 28,000,000 illegal Mexican criminals too many.

    When the number gets down to 1 illegal Mexican criminal in the United States, that will mean there's 1 too many illegal Mexican criminals in the Nation.

    The Left has zero tolerance on first graders drawing pictures of Army soldiers carrying rifles.

    Americans have zero tolerance for illegal Mexican criminals.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    LOL. Drama queen much?
    No, I don't live in the City by the Bay.

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Is this you? I think it just might be...
    Kind of over the top isn't it Jet?

    You aren't suggesting that people who want the border enforced are all gun crazed hermits do you? Because judging from the polls that would be a majority of the country.
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