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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    The only way to solve illegal immigration, or really any problem, is with both the carrot and the stick. Just going only for enforcement won't work. It would just be like another "war on drugs"- a giant hole you can pour money and civil rights into without ever making a dent in it...

    The real solution is FIRST to set up a path to legality that you want people to follow. Maybe a guest worker program with a path to citizenship that is far longer than the normal avenue, where they are paying taxes, but still ineligible for most social services. Then you tighten up the border, although it's true that is pretty futile given how long our border is and how much legal traffic goes over it. Then you give that like 6 months for people to come out of hiding and get signed up. Only then do you increase enforcement. You use enforcement to go after the straglers, not as your primary approach. It's ludicrously impossible to try to locate and physically capture 10 million people who don't want to be caught... We could spend our whole GDP on it and never get half of them. They live here, have jobs and families and cars and places to live here. They're not just going to up and leave and there are too many to catch, so the only option is to give them a viable option then nudge them towards that. Just beating on them when they have no viable option is just brutality for the sake of brutality.

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So he is a loser because he is right?
    No, it's Obama.

    He's a loser because, yet once again, he's wrong.

    There's no need to give the Invading Horde amnesty, not at all. Politics isn't the reason the Invading Horde doesn't have amnesty. The fact that the people of the United States doesn't want their politicians giving the Invading Horde amnesty is why the Invading Horde is still illegal.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Let me ask you this... why did the Republicans not do anything when they had absolute power.... you had 6 years.
    Because you're doing nothing here but demonstrating both your ignorance of the reality of politics in the United States and your willingness to swallow the guff the enemies of the Republic publish in their propaganda efforts to harm the US.

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The only way to solve illegal immigration, or really any problem, is with both the carrot and the stick. Just going only for enforcement won't work.
    Sure, it can work.

    Use a big enough stick, make sure it connects solidly with the dangling fruits, and the problem folds over and can be hauled away in the trash.

    In this case, the sticks to be used are:

    Fences, mine fields, Predator Drones, active duty US Army forces with full authority to shoot back and to intrude into Mexican space as required, and active law enforcement participation in every city in every state.

    The dangling fruits are the employers of the Invaders, who, by law, are already required to recieve proof of legal residence before hiring anyone, and the current expenditure of federal dollars on so-called "sanctuary cities". Since sanctuary cities are violating federal law, those cities, and ALL PEOPLE LIVING IN THEM, should be denied access to federal funds until their cities comply with federal law.

    There's gonna be a million pissed off welfare parasites when that rule hits the fruits, let me tell ya.

    You sure you want to stick with your silly claim that sticks won't do the task?

    Allow REAL AMERICANS to address the issue, and the matter of the illegal invasion of the United State by Mexico will be something for the history books.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    It would just be like another "war on drugs"- a giant hole you can pour money and civil rights into without ever making a dent in it...
    All we're doing now is pouring money down the hole, may as well start pourin the money down the proper holes and fix the real problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The real solution is FIRST to set up a path to legality that you want people to follow.
    ABSO-LUTE-LY!!!!!

    The path to legal US residence and subsequent citizenship starts...

    ...at the sidewalk in front of the US Embassy in the nation of origin of the would be immigrant.

    And no where else.

    One of the potholes on that path will be the sworn statement, made under penalty of perjury, that the applicant has never violated any law of the United States, includin specifically that he has never been in the United States in violation of the law. Lying on this form will be punished by no less than five years in prison and permanent deportation, and revocation of any and all citizenship and legal residency status of any immediate family members.

    That's how the path to legal US citizenship starts.

    Another pothole on that path will be the criminal background records check of the applicant. No more should we accept the world's dregs. We don't need 'em, we've already got plenty of Obama voters.


    US citizenship isn't a bus token, it's not a something that's you get by picking up a floating duckie in a fairground pond. It's a valuable privilege, and should not be given away to law-breakers who's first act in the United States was disrespect for our laws.
    Last edited by Scarecrow Akhbar; 07-04-10 at 01:16 AM.

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    He's absolutely right too. 'Securing the border' (whatever that means) will never solve our immigration problems on its own. To really make a difference, we need exactly what he said, a comprehensive approach that attacks the problem from several directions at once, and one of those absolutely has to be cracking down on businesses that hire illegals.
    When the Messiah says a "comprehensive" approach is needed for "immigration reform", that's just because he's physically unable to say the word "amnesty".

    That's all.

    He made a speech demanding an amnesty bill because the press has been spending too much time focusing on his incompetence with the Gulf oil spill, and his slide in the polls is bruising his community organizer eqo. And, as purest politics, he needs to mobilize the hispanic crowd to get out and vote for the Democrats because otherwise the 1994 Congressional turnaround is going to look like a Democrat victory, compared to what's going to happen this November.

    Purest politics, and that incompetent boob in the White House has no desire, not in the least, to send a single illegal alien home or prevent a single illegal alien from coming in.

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And your your lord and savior Bush (A Republican) didn't do anything about it.
    And that's the dichotomy people love to pretend exists, the division between "Republicans" and "Democrats", where the real division is between "Progressives" and "Americans".

    Bush, pick one, is a "Progressive", not an American.

    Clinton, both the Rapist and the Red Queen, are "Progressives", and hence, not Americans.

    Americans want the border controlled.

    Americans want the Invaders sent home.

    Americans want the people who aid and abet the Invaders to be punished.

    Progressives want the United States to fail.

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    That was implied... national ID makes enforcement much easier, which is my point.
    National ID exists in the United States.

    The progressives have successfully prevented the Department of Homeland Security from having access to the Socialist Security Administration's and the employer data files and the national birth and death records to cross check, with the state DMV records, to identify the illegals and the people employing them.

    We have the technology, we need to kick the roadblocks out of office.

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Fences, mine fields, Predator Drones, active duty US Army forces with full authority to shoot back and to intrude into Mexican space as required, and active law enforcement participation in every city in every state.
    LOL. Yeah... Death penalty with no due process as a response to illegal immigration... Maybe in Nazi Germany they would have gone for that, but not so much here....

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    All we're doing now is pouring money down the hole, may as well start pourin the money down the proper holes and fix the real problems.
    Why would you opt for pouring money into a hole with no hope of fixing the problem when there is an easy, cheap, and effective solution available?

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    The best way to fix illegal immigration is to get rid of the welfare/warfare state and not many politicians from the one party with two names will dismantle it.
    Very true.

    One of the essential elements of any effective immigration reform is the elimination of the subsidies for our indigenous indigents, which in turn will drastically remove the demand for foreign unskilled labor. After all, our public schools are expert at producing millions of new unskilled workers every year. They should be allowed the opportunity to demonstrate the value of their education.

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    LOL. Yeah... Death penalty with no due process as a response to illegal immigration... Maybe in Nazi Germany they would have gone for that, but not so much here....
    Every nation has the authority to use deadly force to defend it's borders.

    And naturally you immediately had to rush to the Nazi comparison because you can't rationally defend your position.

    If people don't want to be shot at or blown up while trying to enter this country illegally, then they have every choice to not enter the country illegally, in which case they shall not be shot at.

    That's not complicated, not at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Why would you opt for pouring money into a hole with no hope of fixing the problem when there is an easy, cheap, and effective solution available?
    The cheap effective solution is widely dispersed anti-personnel explosives. The buzzards have to eat, same as the worms.

    Amazing what an effective deterrent land mines are, when used properly.

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Absolutely incorrect. First, you're using selective hearing which brings your entire argument to a screetching hault. It is not "Secure the Border", Its "Secure the Border FIRST". There is nothing in any stance of the Republican Party that says "The only solution to the Immigration is Border Security". Additionally, you are also indulging in the fallacy of the President in the notion that "Comprehensive" means it must happen all at the same time.

    We do need comprehenisive immigration reform, however it needs to be staggered.

    The first and biggest issue is beginning to secure our border. The second biggest issue is enforcing our current laws on the books against illegals and against the business that hire them.

    Make it more difficult to come in, and make it less attractive to come in, thus by default slowing the influx of people into the country. Then, and only then, should we move onto the notion of what we should do in regards to the millions already here. Once we have that determined we can then look into revamping our immigration policy in such a way that it discourages illegal immigration while also fulfilling our economic needs.
    Oh, there's no question there.

    If they came in illegally, they can leave and get at the back of the line and wait their turn to come back.

    That's that'.

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