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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    It's not as simple as people wanting to cross the boarder...WHY do these people want to cross the boarder? What has happened to them?
    NAFTA (which is both Clinton and Daddy Bush) has pretty much effed these people. Big Agri. Meat packers, etc. take advantage of this situation.

    And just simply leaving it to boarder patrol is not the answer. If things are really that bad, they will find a different way in. THey are victims of greed and corruption, not just from their side of the boarder, but ours too.

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    That's the point that I was making though. It's not the national ID that solves the problem, it's cracking down on businesses that hire illegals, landlords that rent to illegals, etc. A national ID system without decent enforcement will do nothing.
    That was implied... national ID makes enforcement much easier, which is my point.
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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Why would people who hire illegals look to see if someone has national ID? They are already supposed to verify if the person they are hiring is legal. This national ID is nothing more than a load of crap to give the federal a inch that it will used further intrude into people's lives. And most illegals are paid in cash anyways. Seeing how banks and various property owners do credit checks the best thing to do is to require banks to verify the legal status of those they do business with and send some undercovers posing as illegals once in a while to see if the banks are and property owners are adhering to the new laws.
    Not really, it is just you that dont understand what a real national ID is and what it can do.
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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The USA has states bigger than most of those European countries. So it makes sense that you people have a national ID. Your country having individual state IDs would be like one of our states having individual county IDs.
    Talk about an arrogant response lol, and lame excuse. What on EARTH does a countries size have to do with anything? China has a national ID card that is required to get jobs, bank accounts, and tons of other things..
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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So he is a loser because he is right?

    Let me ask you this... why did the Republicans not do anything when they had absolute power.... you had 6 years.
    Obama is holding enforcement of the border hostage. Kyl accused Obama of saying that exactly and Obama like the coward he is ran away from ever denying it himself.
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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but I don't think even that will solve the problem all by itself. People would just live under the radar, working for people who don't check ID, being paid cash, using public transportation, homeschooling, and living somewhere that doesn't check ID either (many of which illegals already do).
    The best way to fix illegal immigration is to get rid of the welfare/warfare state and not many politicians from the one party with two names will dismantle it.

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    He's absolutely right too. 'Securing the border' (whatever that means) will never solve our immigration problems on its own. To really make a difference, we need exactly what he said, a comprehensive approach that attacks the problem from several directions at once, and one of those absolutely has to be cracking down on businesses that hire illegals.
    Absolutely incorrect. First, you're using selective hearing which brings your entire argument to a screetching hault. It is not "Secure the Border", Its "Secure the Border FIRST". There is nothing in any stance of the Republican Party that says "The only solution to the Immigration is Border Security". Additionally, you are also indulging in the fallacy of the President in the notion that "Comprehensive" means it must happen all at the same time.

    We do need comprehenisive immigration reform, however it needs to be staggered.

    The first and biggest issue is beginning to secure our border. The second biggest issue is enforcing our current laws on the books against illegals and against the business that hire them.

    Make it more difficult to come in, and make it less attractive to come in, thus by default slowing the influx of people into the country. Then, and only then, should we move onto the notion of what we should do in regards to the millions already here. Once we have that determined we can then look into revamping our immigration policy in such a way that it discourages illegal immigration while also fulfilling our economic needs.

    If you do it "comprehenisvely" as the President and Democrats wish, which is doing it all in a single bill, then what you will likely have is a repeat of history. In the 1980's we tried comprehensive reform. We passed amnesty along side greater enforcement of the law.

    Guess which of those two happened?

    Guess which of those two didn't?

    I'm not going to be blind and deaf to history, and neither should anyone else. Democrats have screwed us once, they don't get a free second try. You want your comprehensive reform? Alright. You get it in stages. The first stage is secure, the second stage is enforce, the third stage can be the path, and the fourth will be reform.

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And your your lord and savior Bush (A Republican) didn't do anything about it.
    You must have missed the portion in time when polls were showing large amount of conservative disagreement and anger towards George W. Bush for pushing Comprehensive Immigration Reform rather than Secure the Border first and then address the rest.

    For all the ways people like to throw around how fanatical republicans were to George Bush, its incredibly dishonest to suggest that the vast majority of Republicans and Conservatives were extremely upset and against him with regards to Immigration.

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What the?.... too Big? What a loser this President is.


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    No, he's not 100% wrong on this. In fact, this is how the government works. They aren't moving towards a solution because if they solve the problem, then they can't bitch about it anymore. The goal is to preserve the problems for as long as possible to keep it a divisive talking point. The Republicans have gone the partisan route, though both sides do and we shouldn't be shocked.
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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Let me ask you this... why did the Republicans not do anything when they had absolute power.... you had 6 years.
    Because unlike Obama and the Democratic Congress...or more precisely like Obama and the Democratic Congress in regards to a true Public Option....The republicans in congress and the President in power had differing views in regards to what needed to be done so essentially created a situation where there was no absolute power.

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