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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    actually there is a way to almost fix it 100%.. but the US is not ready to go that way... it is called a national ID that is required for everything from having a bank account, drivers license to owning and renting homes to getting a job or go to school.
    We already have these. They're called driver's licenses and social security cards.

    Obama doesn't give a rip about these people or immigration policy in general. This is about one thing and one thing only: giving poor non-Americans the right to vote Democrat.

    If these people were to vote largely Republican, do you think he'd push for this?
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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    actually there is a way to almost fix it 100%.. but the US is not ready to go that way... it is called a national ID that is required for everything from having a bank account, drivers license to owning and renting homes to getting a job or go to school.
    Why would people who hire illegals look to see if someone has national ID? They are already supposed to verify if the person they are hiring is legal. This national ID is nothing more than a load of crap to give the federal a inch that it will used further intrude into people's lives. And most illegals are paid in cash anyways. Seeing how banks and various property owners do credit checks the best thing to do is to require banks to verify the legal status of those they do business with and send some undercovers posing as illegals once in a while to see if the banks are and property owners are adhering to the new laws.
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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    We already have these. They're called driver's licenses and social security cards.

    Obama doesn't give a rip about these people or immigration policy in general. This is about one thing and one thing only: giving poor non-Americans the right to vote Democrat.

    If these people were to vote largely Republican, do you think he'd push for this?
    If Mexicans voted Republican, Obama would be deporting them by the millions and deploy an entire army corps to seal the border so tight a mouse couldn't cross it without two forms of picture ID.
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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post

    For example. In my home country we have had national ID system for over half a century now and our problem with illegal aliens is very limited since no one can function in society without the national ID. And for those that try, and get busted, the consequences for both parties but especially those that hire illegals is considerable.. everything from a huge fine, to jail and for the real bad ones, having your right to run said business or similar business taken away.
    The USA has states bigger than most of those European countries. So it makes sense that you people have a national ID. Your country having individual state IDs would be like one of our states having individual county IDs.
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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    One of the things I picked up from Obama's speach was that the Feds, Employerss and Individuals need to be held acountable for the illegal problem. So what is he doing suing Arizona over the 2007 employer sanction law? That law basically states if an employer knowingly hires an illegal they can have their business license pulled and be subject to other penalties. Is it because the State came up with it first and the feds have done nothing in this area?

    The immigration and illegal problem has been brewing for years. It is to bad that Obama says words and does nothing. There are actions within the authority of the President to start fixing the issue. If the feds do nothing, States will continue to work out their own solutions.
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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    He's absolutely right too. 'Securing the border' (whatever that means) will never solve our immigration problems on its own. To really make a difference, we need exactly what he said, a comprehensive approach that attacks the problem from several directions at once, and one of those absolutely has to be cracking down on businesses that hire illegals.

    Look at it this way.

    We've had a problem with illegal immigration in the US for decades, and the world hasn't ended.
    No solution is going to solve the problem immediately, it will take years, and even then nothing will fix the problem completely.
    This is a long-term problem, and it's not going to hurt to take some time to come up with a solution that will actually be effective. It's a far better idea than flailing about spending a ton of money on solutions that don't have a hope of fixing things.
    Anyone who says that something has to be done RIGHT NAO!!!!!! is either misinformed, or most likely just trying to get votes.
    When I hear Obama, Bush, McCain or any other pro-illegal say we need comprehensive immigration reform I see it as code for "we need amnesty and we will sucker people with hollow promises of enforcement and we hope that they are dumb enough to fall for it again".
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Which would all be illegal and require prison time and huge fines. Hence people wont do it.

    Face it... the problem is that there is too much money to be earned by exploiting illegals now. Make the cost of doing so, so high and the problem will become very small. For example a farmer who hires illegals to pick his fields.. would he do that if he even had a slight chance of getting busted and having his farm taken away from him? I doubt that.

    But there is no political will what so ever to do that.. all people want is to punish the illegals while letting the reason the illegals are here.. get away with murder so to say. As long as that is the political climate, then nothing will happen that is in any way productive.

    For example. In my home country we have had national ID system for over half a century now and our problem with illegal aliens is very limited since no one can function in society without the national ID. And for those that try, and get busted, the consequences for both parties but especially those that hire illegals is considerable.. everything from a huge fine, to jail and for the real bad ones, having your right to run said business or similar business taken away.
    That's the point that I was making though. It's not the national ID that solves the problem, it's cracking down on businesses that hire illegals, landlords that rent to illegals, etc. A national ID system without decent enforcement will do nothing.
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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    When I hear Obama, Bush, McCain or any other pro-illegal say we need comprehensive immigration reform I see it as code for "we need amnesty and we will sucker people with hollow promises of enforcement and we hope that they are dumb enough to fall for it again".
    I said he was right about needing comprehensive immigration reform. Whether he actually means to implement true immigration reform or is just blowing hot air remains to be seen. My hopes aren't high.
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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If Mexicans voted Republican, Obama would be deporting them by the millions and deploy an entire army corps to seal the border so tight a mouse couldn't cross it without two forms of picture ID.
    And your your lord and savior Bush (A Republican) didn't do anything about it.

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    Re: Obama says politics to blame for immigration delay

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So he is a loser because he is right?

    Let me ask you this... why did the Republicans not do anything when they had absolute power.... you had 6 years.
    Exactly. They're not going to do anything. They talky a big game. But they did nothing when they had the power.

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