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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post

    The left uses marijuana to bring in the liberals to the voting booths to manipulate the vote for their candidate.
    I disagree. This is not a left or a right issue. The bottom line is, the 'war on drugs' is PR bull**** and a total FAIL.

    We are not fighting a war - we are just ****ing around. We do not shoot down drug planes. We do not hunt down the gangs growing pot in the National Park system. We will not go into Venezuela guns blazing to take out the airfields shipping this stuff to us. We are not cutting off heads and hands in Afghanistan when we find poppy farms. We give immunity to a pot smuggler so he can testify against Border Patrol agents. We use RICO **** to go after doctor-prescribed medical pot.

    We cut deals with the traffikers and do jack **** while Mexico and other countries are infested with murder and corruption. earned NOTHING. Treatment is bull****, and has about as much a success rate as 'rehabilitating' child molesters and car thieves.

    Legalize it

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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Y'know, I got mixed opinion on this.

    On one hand it's good that the people are given the oppertunity to choose their liberty. Most sensible people these days all agree it's time to decriminalize marijuana.

    But, on the other hand, I have to stay firm on my past stated opinons lest I be branded a hypocrite.

    It pissed me off when states would allow wedge issue referendums on the same ballots with politicians. It's an attempt to manipulate the vote. It's typical and neither the right nor left is above such dispicable behavior.

    If a right leaning state wants to drive their right leaning constituents to the voting booths they would add a vote for gay marriage to the ballot. That would bring their supporters out in droves to make doubly sure the gays can't marry thus manipulating the vote for their candidate..

    The left uses marijuana to bring in the liberals to the voting booths to manipulate the vote for their candidate.

    Issues with merit should have their own election seperate from political-office elections.
    Well then, once it's legalized they wont be able to do that will they? (also you're wrong)
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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    I say if we're going to experiment, let's do it somewhere where it won't cause that many problems if we are wrong. Kali would be a good place to start. Kali is already ****ed up

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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Y'know, I got mixed opinion on this.

    On one hand it's good that the people are given the oppertunity to choose their liberty. Most sensible people these days all agree it's time to decriminalize marijuana.

    But, on the other hand, I have to stay firm on my past stated opinons lest I be branded a hypocrite.

    It pissed me off when states would allow wedge issue referendums on the same ballots with politicians. It's an attempt to manipulate the vote. It's typical and neither the right nor left is above such dispicable behavior.

    If a right leaning state wants to drive their right leaning constituents to the voting booths they would add a vote for gay marriage to the ballot. That would bring their supporters out in droves to make doubly sure the gays can't marry thus manipulating the vote for their candidate..

    The left uses marijuana to bring in the liberals to the voting booths to manipulate the vote for their candidate.

    Issues with merit should have their own election seperate from political-office elections.
    This is on the ballot because of a petition that collected 600,000+ signatures of California voters to get it on the ballot (5%+ of the voter turn out from the previous Gubernatorial race). It was not due to any partisan groups, nor is it due to an effort from either political party, it was an independent initiative that was backed by the voters of CA regardless of party affiliation who signed on and forced this issue to the ballot.
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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    This will make for very strange bedfellows on the anti-legalization side. Mexican drug cartels, companies that supply the DEA, and religious nujobs all on the same side. Those are some strong vested interests with lots of money and influence, and I'm pessimistic about the pro-legalization side matching that kind of fervor, organization and resources.

    Oh well, it isn't like those ****s will ever be able to stop me and several million of my compatriots from continuing to smoke weed, no matter how the Prop 19 goes.

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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    If the DEA can come in and over-ride state law, then there is not much use to prop 19...
    That is why we have a 10th Amendment to the Constitution, which needs to be enforced.
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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Well then, once it's legalized they wont be able to do that will they? (also you're wrong)
    Actually, he's 100% correct on his assessment. Anyone who has paid any attention to politics for the last 12 years or so knows that wedge issues have been used for the purpose of driving out the vote and both sides have done it repeatedly.

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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    While this ballot measure may have an effect of drawing out more younger (and presumably more liberal) voters, it is on the ballot because of non partisan affiliated signature drives and efforts, it is not designed nor intended to be a wedge issue, that is just a side effect
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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    While this ballot measure may have an effect of drawimg out more younger (and presumably more liberal) voters, it is on the ballot because of non partisan affiliated signature drives and efforts, it is not designed nor intended to be a wedge issue, that is just a side effect
    Which side supports which choice though? Generally the republican party has been shifting to a more libertarian stance, so they would be much less outraged over the idea of legalization then they would have been a decade ago, but I also doubt democrats would oppose this either.

    This might be an issue that doesn't divide based on party lines, but divides based on something else.
    Reality tends to have a liberal bias.

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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    I was on the verge of editing my post to add that this is and should be a non partisan issue, people on both sides are spit on whether they are for or against this. It is still viewed as a liberal issue though, and it is certainly an issue that will draw more younger voters, who typically are more liberal in nature.

    This is one of those issues that is not partisan, although it is viewed as socially liberal, and the religious right would likely be in knee jerk opposition to this (at least it is not the ultimate in evil.. homosexuality issues.. although people might turn gay if stoned enough )
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