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Thread: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Which federal laws do you think the state would enforce against California (or have failed to enforce against Alaska)?
    trafficking, and manufacture laws mostly, they would go after the supply and distribution. There are federal laws prohibiting possession of any amount of cannabis, but they have limited resources and the DEA does not typically go after small fry as a result.

    It will mirror what we have seen in the past with DEA raids on Medical MJ facilities. This is dependent on the executive branch and how they decide to prioritize this.. currently the Obama admin has instructed the AG and federal enforcement not to act unless there is a violation of both state and federal law, this is in regards to the medical MJ and the legal discrepancies there, will it change with the new law, or even will the med. MJ policy change with a new president? We shall see.
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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Alaska state law will not penalize you for 1oz or less in your own home. If the DEA kicks down your door in Alaska, though, they'll still hit you for it. I don't really know how that works, legally speaking.

    I guess Obama could issue an executive order telling federal law enforcement agencies to ignore marijuana in California?
    Just in doing some quick reading, Denver legalized marijuana possession several years ago and Massachusettes decriminalized posession under 1 Oz in 2008 (civil fine applies). Several states have medicinal marijuana laws. Interesting...

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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    Obama has said that he won't enforce federal marijuana laws if a state legalizes it.
    That should be the appropriate federal position on drugs.

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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Anyone explain how Alaska gets away with it? is there a law that says federal law can only be enforced int he 48 contiguous states?
    It's just simply not enforced in Alaska unless it's huge amounts of it. And it's damned near impossible to enforce it there because of the vast amounts of land and the short but powerful growing season...Alaska probably produces in three months what it takes all of California and Oregon to produce in the whole year. Even if they were to catch 40% of the fields, it wouldn't stop the continual flow of it to the population.

    Plus, in Alaska, no one really cares what you do in your own home.

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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Alaska state law will not penalize you for 1oz or less in your own home. If the DEA kicks down your door in Alaska, though, they'll still hit you for it. I don't really know how that works, legally speaking.

    I guess Obama could issue an executive order telling federal law enforcement agencies to ignore marijuana in California?
    The general rule in Alaska is that you may have up to four ounces without any trouble from the cops if A) it's all in one bag and not divided for resale (that will actually get you fried if they catch it like that) and B) you are not transporting it in a motor vehicle.

    Also of note, Alaska treats DUI and DWI the exact same. Having marijuana in your car will land you a ticket comparable to an open container violation and DUI with all the accompanying penalties.

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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    The general rule in Alaska is that you may have up to four ounces without any trouble from the cops if A) it's all in one bag and not divided for resale (that will actually get you fried if they catch it like that) and B) you are not transporting it in a motor vehicle.

    Also of note, Alaska treats DUI and DWI the exact same. Having marijuana in your car will land you a ticket comparable to an open container violation and DUI with all the accompanying penalties.
    Really an open container won't put you in jail?

    I remember here in Texas you could drive around with a beer.

    Nowadays it is a whole different story after all we are the home of MADD whose president and a founder got popped.

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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Really an open container won't put you in jail?

    I remember here in Texas you could drive around with a beer.

    Nowadays it is a whole different story after all we are the home of MADD whose president and a founder got popped.
    I should have been clearer about that...an open container ticket has jail time (in addition to being carted off to jail immediately) as one of those accompanying penalties.

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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    About the funding for cartels part, I wish it were the case, but I think its the hard drugs like cocaine that the cartels sell that this ballot measure is not going to legalize or affect.
    All the more reason to legalize ALL drugs and put the money saved toward education, deglamorization, and treatment of drug addiction.

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    I don't think I'm going to vote for it. I'm just against that legalizing it would mean that its ok to use, and I'm not really ok with drug use. Can you convince me otherwise?
    I'll try, but what do you mean by "ok" to use? Do you think it would encourage non-users to suddenly go out and become potheads? The laws have no known effect on the rate of use. Legalization doesn't mean it's "ok" to use in the sense that it would automatically become socially encouraged. It just means if someone wants to go to a liquor store and buy a joint instead of a six-pack, the law isn't going to tell them they can't.

    Since the government's job is to preserve our personal liberties, there should only be legal consequences if people take actions that infringe on the liberties of others. The government should not infringe on the liberties of soverign individuals by dictating what they can and cannot knowingly and willingly put into their own bodies. It's their body, which means it's their choice and nobody else's business - especially not the government's.

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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Nope...I dont THINK they can (tho Im not a fed law scholar). See Alaska for example. People can use legally in Alaska and feds cant or dont arrest.

    On the plus side...if it passes I'm buying stock in Pepsico (TacoBell) and FritoLays (doritos)!
    You would have to buy YUM stock for Taco Bell.
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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Y'know, I got mixed opinion on this.

    On one hand it's good that the people are given the oppertunity to choose their liberty. Most sensible people these days all agree it's time to decriminalize marijuana.

    But, on the other hand, I have to stay firm on my past stated opinons lest I be branded a hypocrite.

    It pissed me off when states would allow wedge issue referendums on the same ballots with politicians. It's an attempt to manipulate the vote. It's typical and neither the right nor left is above such dispicable behavior.

    If a right leaning state wants to drive their right leaning constituents to the voting booths they would add a vote for gay marriage to the ballot. That would bring their supporters out in droves to make doubly sure the gays can't marry thus manipulating the vote for their candidate..

    The left uses marijuana to bring in the liberals to the voting booths to manipulate the vote for their candidate.

    Issues with merit should have their own election seperate from political-office elections.

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