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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Do you have anything usefull to add, or are you just going to regurgitate your standard assinine and totally useless post that you feel compelled to make in every thread that discusses this issue?
    Why so serious?
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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    If the DEA can come in and over-ride state law, then there is not much use to prop 19...

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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Why so serious?
    Because you feel compelled to use it to be a condescending ass in every thread that comes up on the issue, it does nothing to further the discussion, there is nothing witty nor humorous to it, and the shtick is old.
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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Anyone explain how Alaska gets away with it? is there a law that says federal law can only be enforced int he 48 contiguous states?
    Alaska state law will not penalize you for 1oz or less in your own home. If the DEA kicks down your door in Alaska, though, they'll still hit you for it. I don't really know how that works, legally speaking.

    I guess Obama could issue an executive order telling federal law enforcement agencies to ignore marijuana in California?
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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Plus, other nations that have legalized drugs have seen significant dropoffs in drug abuse and crime. Legalization will also cut funding for violent drug cartels.
    Although I'm wondering how this law would deal with the federal ban. From what I understand, the federal classification of marijuana means the feds could technically still arrest people for use, right?
    About the funding for cartels part, I wish it were the case, but I think its the hard drugs like cocaine that the cartels sell that this ballot measure is not going to legalize or affect.

    I don't think I'm going to vote for it. I'm just against that legalizing it would mean that its ok to use, and I'm not really ok with drug use. Can you convince me otherwise?

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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    If the DEA can come in and over-ride state law, then there is not much use to prop 19...
    There is plenty of use for it, the DEA can technically come in and over ride state medical marijuana use laws, yet they exist in 14 states now (after California lead with what seemed at the time a futile law), and the private user does not get harassed or persecuted, if the fed is to use their resources to undermine the law, then they will be using it to go for traffickers- even doing this will bring up legal challenges, and a much needed spotlight on the issue, it is a path to change, and although there will be speedbumps and potholes on the road does not mean that driving it is futile.

    Ultimately it should get incorporated into the Constitution for added security, I am unsure on how the Amendment process for Ca works though
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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    If the DEA can come in and over-ride state law, then there is not much use to prop 19...
    Obama has said that he won't enforce federal marijuana laws if a state legalizes it.
    Reality tends to have a liberal bias.

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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That's right, folks. Legalization of weed is officially on the California ballot. What's good about this proposition if it becomes law?

    1) California can tax it, thus raising badly needed money.

    2) It will put a huge dent in drug lords' profits.

    3) It will put law enforcement resources where they are actually needed.

    4) And it will be a blow for personal freedom.

    This is something that both Conservatives and Liberals need to get behind. Face it, the War on Drugs has been a complete failure, so let's now have a new war. Let's call it the War on Stupidity. Prop 19 will be an important battle in this war to wrest control of our own lives from complete idiots.

    Article is here.
    Something some people might not think about is how by being the first state to legalize weed, tourists from all over the world will come to the state to spend their money and smoke legally. Hotels, food, attractions, gas,... money will come from more places than just taxing the drug.

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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Alaskas legality is limited to possession in ones own home, and is a result of the state constitution and its guarantee to the right of privacy.

    Article 1:

    The Alaska supreme court ruled in 1975 in Ravin V. State:



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    I do not think this has been challenged at the federal level, and the issue ended with that case (more or less.. read the wiki article linked), and the feds are still able to enforce their laws in Alaska, but I think they are hesitant to piss on the state's constitution and upset the apple cart by busting down doors for misdemeanor posession.

    The California initiative is not a Constutional issue (yet) and could face some serious hurdles, what they are doing is actually prohibited not just federally, but also by international treaty (Single Convention on Narcotic Substances). Alaska gets some wiggle room, especially when it comes to the Single Convention of Narcotic Substances because it is an issue of Constitutionality, which is an automatic exemption.



    Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs - Wikisource
    Which federal laws do you think the state would enforce against California (or have failed to enforce against Alaska)?

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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Alaska state law will not penalize you for 1oz or less in your own home. If the DEA kicks down your door in Alaska, though, they'll still hit you for it. I don't really know how that works, legally speaking.

    I guess Obama could issue an executive order telling federal law enforcement agencies to ignore marijuana in California?
    I guesss thats the part i dont really understand and Im not being deliberately ubtuse...i really dont know...is there a federal law against marijuana use or just against illegal importation?

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