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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    It should have been proposition 420.
    I know we never agree, but I must say that was hilarious.
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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    It should have been proposition 420.
    lol yeah... problem is the DEA can still come in as a Federal Agency and has and will continue to shut down legal pot shops in the state...

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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    However, isn't marijuana and drug possession a federal offense? Can a state legalize something that is illegal at the federal level? Personally I would vote no on this amendment, but I'm not in California.
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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    However, isn't marijuana and drug possession a federal offense? Can a state legalize something that is illegal at the federal level? Personally I would vote no on this amendment, but I'm not in California.
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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    The federal government can enforce drug laws, although the President can inform the attorney general, DEA, etc... not to arrest non violent drug users.
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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    The federal government can enforce drug laws, although the President can inform the attorney general, DEA, etc... not to arrest non violent drug users.
    Anyone explain how Alaska gets away with it? is there a law that says federal law can only be enforced int he 48 contiguous states?

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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Whoaaaaah Duuuuuuuuude!!!!!!
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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    However, isn't marijuana and drug possession a federal offense? Can a state legalize something that is illegal at the federal level? Personally I would vote no on this amendment, but I'm not in California.
    I'm not in California either, so let's do this..... Admit that California's ballots are none of our damn business, and none of the Fed's business either.
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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Anyone explain how Alaska gets away with it? is there a law that says federal law can only be enforced int he 48 contiguous states?
    Alaskas legality is limited to possession in ones own home, and is a result of the state constitution and its guarantee to the right of privacy.

    Article 1:
    22. Right of Privacy

    The right of the people to privacy is recognized and shall not be infringed. The legislature shall implement this section. [Amended 1972]
    The Alaska supreme court ruled in 1975 in Ravin V. State:

    ...we conclude that no adequate justification for the state's intrusion into the citizen's right to privacy by its prohibition of possession of marijuana by an adult for personal consumption in the home has been shown. The privacy of the individual's home cannot be breached absent a persuasive showing of a close and substantial relationship of the intrusion to a legitimate governmental interest. Here, mere scientific doubts will not suffice. The state must demonstrate a need based on proof that the public health or welfare will in fact suffer if the controls are not applied.
    Ravin v. State - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I do not think this has been challenged at the federal level, and the issue ended with that case (more or less.. read the wiki article linked), and the feds are still able to enforce their laws in Alaska, but I think they are hesitant to piss on the state's constitution and upset the apple cart by busting down doors for misdemeanor posession.

    The California initiative is not a Constutional issue (yet) and could face some serious hurdles, what they are doing is actually prohibited not just federally, but also by international treaty (Single Convention on Narcotic Substances). Alaska gets some wiggle room, especially when it comes to the Single Convention of Narcotic Substances because it is an issue of Constitutionality, which is an automatic exemption.

    Article 36: PENAL PROVISIONS

    1. (a) Subject to its constitutional limitations....
    Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs - Wikisource
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    Re: Prop Numbers Assigned, Marijuana Ballot Measure is Prop 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Whoaaaaah Duuuuuuuuude!!!!!!
    Do you have anything usefull to add, or are you just going to regurgitate your standard assinine and totally useless post that you feel compelled to make in every thread that discusses this issue?
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