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    Re: Boehner wants to raise the retirement age to 70

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Well, as long as we're on the subject, I'd also like to make social security based on need. If we want to balance the budget it makes sense. There's no reason why millionaires should be getting social security. Treat it like insurance -- you pay into it hoping that you don't get poor in your old age and if you are, you can collect. You could even make it like real insurance in that you can buy better policies.
    I kinda disagree, that would make it another welfare program. SS is a social insurance. I have a compromise though. What if instead we slowly phased in the payments, so when you first retire you get a little and as you age you get larger and larger transfers. Everyone still gets benefits, but it does what it is supposed to, insure against aging.

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    Re: Boehner wants to raise the retirement age to 70

    Here's a novel idea:

    Get the government out of the retirement business and then people can set their own retirement ages.

    Last I checked the Constitution, the only people the Federal Government is allowed to set retirement ages for are people directly employed by the Federal Government.

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    Re: Boehner wants to raise the retirement age to 70

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Well, as long as we're on the subject, I'd also like to make social security based on need. If we want to balance the budget it makes sense. There's no reason why millionaires should be getting social security. Treat it like insurance -- you pay into it hoping that you don't get poor in your old age and if you are, you can collect. You could even make it like real insurance in that you can buy better policies.
    Do you have ANY IDEA how many millionaire liberals are having their Socialist Security checks direct deposited to their banks?

    Every single one that is old enough to be eligible.

    Then they yell at us for being "greedy" for not wanting to pay higher taxes.

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    Re: Boehner wants to raise the retirement age to 70

    This is a good idea by Boehner, and needs to be coupled with further reform to social security beyond simply raising the age.

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I thought conservatives believed that social security was just the safety net? If so, what's the problem? Social security does not dictate when you can retire, you dictate when you can retire. Just make a ton of money and retire at 50ish, if you want.

    ".....May you live long and prosper...."

    I accept the fact that social security retirement ages should be pushed out. However, they may need to offset this with looser definitions of disability for persons over 60 AND be diligent in enforcement of age discrimination laws.
    Ah, yet another person that likes to act like they understand what conservatives think and then show they only listen half heartedly.

    Yes, in general conservatives view social security as a safety net. Yes, in general, if it could be done away with many conservatives would like to see that happen. However, much like federal dollars going to states, as long as the government is taking my money and its going to have to go SOMEWHERE then yes, I'm going to want my part of it back. I would rather it just never have been taken in the first place, but I'm also not going to live in a fantasy land.

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    Re: Boehner wants to raise the retirement age to 70

    Can someone explain to me why we "need" to retire in general?
    What's the purpose of retiring, why is it a common thing? Why do people feel that "at a certain age I should be able to survive without being employed" ???

    I understand this concept not.

    It seems to fly in the face of all other advice and knowledge: work hard, earn a decent wage so you can support yourself and have a good life . . .
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    Re: Boehner wants to raise the retirement age to 70

    There is too much age discrimination against older people when it comes to employment. If they raise the age they also should do something about age discrimination too.

    Since the rich have never paid as much as their disposable income as lower income people, I don't see why they should collect that much SS.

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    Re: Boehner wants to raise the retirement age to 70

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Can someone explain to me why we "need" to retire in general?
    What's the purpose of retiring, why is it a common thing? Why do people feel that "at a certain age I should be able to survive without being employed" ???

    I understand this concept not.

    It seems to fly in the face of all other advice and knowledge: work hard, earn a decent wage so you can support yourself and have a good life . . .
    I personally cannot fathom ever 'retiring'. I wont always do the job I do now...and I will take sabbaticals...but I figure i will work in some capacity til I'm dead or simply cant. Ive seen far too many older folks retire and simply look for a place to do. I think retirement hastens that along.

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    Re: Boehner wants to raise the retirement age to 70

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    There is too much age discrimination against older people when it comes to employment. If they raise the age they also should do something about age discrimination too.

    Since the rich have never paid as much as their disposable income as lower income people, I don't see why they should collect that much SS.
    The rich pay far more of the overall tax burden than do the middle income or unemployed. Social Security isnt meant to be a charity system...it was created to be an emergency parachute retirement system in the worst of times. Because of peoples reliance on the government it has become for many their ONLY retirement plan. But since it is money involuntarily taken from them by the fed, at the very least the rich have every right to the money they have paid in.

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    Re: Boehner wants to raise the retirement age to 70

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The rich pay far more of the overall tax burden than do the middle income or unemployed. Social Security isnt meant to be a charity system...it was created to be an emergency parachute retirement system in the worst of times. Because of peoples reliance on the government it has become for many their ONLY retirement plan. But since it is money involuntarily taken from them by the fed, at the very least the rich have every right to the money they have paid in.
    Exactly - no one gets *out* as much as their paycheck was equal to.
    That's the complaint about SS - that it's not enough to live on - eventhough it never was meant to be sufficient to live on.
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    Re: Boehner wants to raise the retirement age to 70

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Can someone explain to me why we "need" to retire in general?
    What's the purpose of retiring, why is it a common thing? Why do people feel that "at a certain age I should be able to survive without being employed" ???

    I understand this concept not.

    It seems to fly in the face of all other advice and knowledge: work hard, earn a decent wage so you can support yourself and have a good life . . .
    You work so you CAN retire and have a good life. Who the **** wants to work? I want to be able to retire as soon as financially possible so I can do more of the things I *want* to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I personally cannot fathom ever 'retiring'. I wont always do the job I do now...and I will take sabbaticals...but I figure i will work in some capacity til I'm dead or simply cant. Ive seen far too many older folks retire and simply look for a place to do. I think retirement hastens that along.
    I can't fathom not ever retiring. If I thought I could never retire, I'd probably just shoot myself now. I'm working now simply to survive and so that I CAN retire and do all the things I want to do. Who the **** wants to work all the time? I want to go see more of the world and do fun things. Not sit in an office for the rest of my ****ing life.

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