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    Re: Boehner wants to raise the retirement age to 70

    Can see that suggestion going down like a lump of lead with the voters come November.

    Problem with politicians is they never know when to keep their tongues from flapping.

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    Re: Boehner wants to raise the retirement age to 70

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    You know, **** them.

    But whatever. I'm going to retire before I'm 45. They can go to hell.
    Nope. You will be forced to work until 70! To the coal mine with you.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Boehner wants to raise the retirement age to 70

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Nope. You will be forced to work until 70! To the coal mine with you.
    Not if her body in any way resembles that of her avatar!

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    Re: Boehner wants to raise the retirement age to 70

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I agree based on the long term ability of Social Security but disagree as well because it's unfair to younger people.
    Us younger folks will get less and have to pay more, it's not right.
    Not correct about the fairness in raising the retirement age. You have to look at life expectancy.

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    Re: Boehner wants to raise the retirement age to 70

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I agree based on the long term ability of Social Security but disagree as well because it's unfair to younger people.
    Us younger folks will get less and have to pay more, it's not right.
    I thought conservatives believed that social security was just the safety net? If so, what's the problem? Social security does not dictate when you can retire, you dictate when you can retire. Just make a ton of money and retire at 50ish, if you want.

    ".....May you live long and prosper...."

    I accept the fact that social security retirement ages should be pushed out. However, they may need to offset this with looser definitions of disability for persons over 60 AND be diligent in enforcement of age discrimination laws.
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    Re: Boehner wants to raise the retirement age to 70

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Shouldn't I be able to choose when I want to retire?
    Technically you can. There is a fully legal way of retiring early, and then upon hiting the regular age, paying all of the SS benefits you took back and restarting at the full benefit rate. And you don't eat the taxes (I think, I'm about 80% sure about that). Ths, you can retire when you want and still reap full benefits. I can explain this further if you want.
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    Re: Boehner wants to raise the retirement age to 70

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Well, as long as we're on the subject, I'd also like to make social security based on need. If we want to balance the budget it makes sense. There's no reason why millionaires should be getting social security. Treat it like insurance -- you pay into it hoping that you don't get poor in your old age and if you are, you can collect. You could even make it like real insurance in that you can buy better policies.
    Thats fine provided that you make it optional. If the government FORCES people without option to pay into a retirement system then at the very least they ought to offer a one time payout.

    Your plan of allowing people different investment options sounds suspicously like Bush's plan!

    Of course...he only advocated voluntary choice to invest a small portion of your social security...NOTHING like the retirement accounts congress has.

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    Re: Boehner wants to raise the retirement age to 70

    The problem Vance, with an opt out is those who squander their payment and end up bankrupt. We end up pay for them rather then forcing them to shoulder some of the burden. I don't suggest people do what I suggested in post #16 because people are irresponsible. From a Libertarian view, I completely agree that if forced there should be an opt out method, maybe as a deduction against future taxes, but merely looking at my fellow humans, I cannot reasonably suggest that we really let them do that. Especially when the cost is higher welfare and higher taxes. And aside from the very fringe group, we are not going to just let people die because they did poor retirement planning.
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    Re: Boehner wants to raise the retirement age to 70

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The problem Vance, with an opt out is those who squander their payment and end up bankrupt. We end up pay for them rather then forcing them to shoulder some of the burden. I don't suggest people do what I suggested in post #16 because people are irresponsible. From a Libertarian view, I completely agree that if forced there should be an opt out method, maybe as a deduction against future taxes, but merely looking at my fellow humans, I cannot reasonably suggest that we really let them do that. Especially when the cost is higher welfare and higher taxes. And aside from the very fringe group, we are not going to just let people die because they did poor retirement planning.
    I get what you are saying. Maybe there would have to be some sort of secured retirement account in place...maybe a metered trust fund (hey...it could even be interest bearing and taxed).

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    Re: Boehner wants to raise the retirement age to 70

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, it is fair. When SS was first enacted, lifespans were much shorter than they are today. With the increase in lifespans, the requirements must be also adjusted to reflect this.
    no, in the 40's I garantee they were not paying 12% in taxes for it.

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