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    Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Court: Christian group can't bar gays, get funding - Politics - msnbc.com

    WASHINGTON — An ideologically split Supreme Court ruled Monday that a law school can legally deny recognition to a Christian student group that won't let gays join, with one justice saying that the First Amendment does not require a public university to validate or support the group's "discriminatory practices."

    The court turned away an appeal from the Christian Legal Society, which sued to get funding and recognition from the University of California's Hastings College of the Law. The CLS requires that voting members sign a statement of faith and regards "unrepentant participation in or advocacy of a sexually immoral lifestyle" as being inconsistent with that faith.
    Seems like a reasonable decision to me. The first amendment protects your right to discriminate but it does not protect your right to receive public funding or recognition to enable your discrimination. (the Christian group in question excluded homosexuals)

    5-4 decision, with the expected conservative/liberal split and Kennedy siding with the liberals on this one. That four supreme court justices think the first amendment protects your right to public funding of discrimination is fairly disturbing.

    On the plus side, this gives some hope to the folks waiting on overturn of California's Prop 8, as it shows that Kennedy wont automatically side against homosexuality. Overturning Prop 8 is a much bigger decision, though, so how he ends up in the inevitable Supreme Court case remains to be seen.
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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    I guess I can agree with this. Hopefully it will extend to all groups and not just Christian ones.
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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I guess I can agree with this. Hopefully it will extend to all groups and not just Christian ones.
    The way the ruling reads, yes, a university can legally deny funding or recognition to any group that practices discrimination. It doesn't say that the school has to deny funding, so if some other school still wants to recognize a similar group they can do so.
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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The way the ruling reads, yes, a university can legally deny funding or recognition to any group that practices discrimination. It doesn't say that the school has to deny funding, so if some other school still wants to recognize a similar group they can do so.
    Is there any kind of legal binding for public universities? I fear this will be abused and created to be a way for universities to "protest" groups and ideologies. I think private universities should have complete control over their funding, but a public university shouldn't ban funding to a Christian group that doesn't accept gays and then fund a Muslim group that doesn't accept anyone of another faith.
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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    This ruling is completely correct. Its just too bad that we have 4 justices that cannot understand that the state not only CAN but is required by the Constitution to implement non-discrimination policies.
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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    This ruling is completely correct. Its just too bad that we have 4 justices that cannot understand that the state not only CAN but is required by the Constitution to implement non-discrimination policies.

    is that what they said? Do you have a link showing that?


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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The way the ruling reads, yes, a university can legally deny funding or recognition to any group that practices discrimination.
    Stop and think about what you just said. That would mean every group would have to tolerate everyone no matter what the senario lest they be accused of discrimination.

    This is what you really want?
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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    This ruling is completely correct. Its just too bad that we have 4 justices that cannot understand that the state not only CAN but is required by the Constitution to implement non-discrimination policies.
    Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? So you tolerate everyone? You descriminate against no one?
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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? So you tolerate everyone? You descriminate against no one?
    Read the Constitution:
    No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Read the Constitution:
    No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
    Nothing in that statement says sexual orientation must be considered.

    You are generalizing to include something that was never stated.
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