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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    See, I agree with your initial stance, I disagree with the later.

    The arbitrary thing becomes questionable. For example, with regards to the Christian one, is it simply what we define ourselves as to what others must accept us as? For example if its a Christian group that believes those who are homosexual can not be "christians" because they are routinely and knowingly, without any attempt to repent or change the fact, engaging in a "sinful" life style? Should they be forced to allow someone they don't believe is Christian but considers themselves such into their club to be able to get funding? And if so, who makes the determination of what's "arbitrary" or not? In a similar vein, if an "African American" club restricts its membership due to race does it have a right to deny someone who wants to join the club because the actions being undertaken are important to him due to being raised by a black step father, but the club doesn't consider him African American so would deny him entry?

    It seems to me your later statement is simply interjecting an additional way for discrimination to be allowable if its in such a way that doesn't bother the college in an ideological sense, again creating a defacto situation here they can discriminate against people with public funds based on arbitrary political views.

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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    They would have to tolerate every group people, there's a difference there
    Thats the same thing.

    So if a NABMLA memeber wanted to join a liberal group and they denied them they should loose funding because that would be "descrimination"
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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    It would depend Tex.

    If they denied them because of some rule in regards to membership that was allowable by the school (Say the group stated you must have a 3.0 GPA and the NAMBLA member didn't) then no.

    If they had a rule stating "Sexual Perverts are not allowed" and denied him, then yeah, it likely would be discrimination.

    If they could not articulate ANY rule in their membership that they denied him based on, then yeah, again, likely discrimination.

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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It would depend Tex.

    If they denied them because of some rule in regards to membership that was allowable by the school (Say the group stated you must have a 3.0 GPA and the NAMBLA member didn't) then no.

    If they had a rule stating "Sexual Perverts are not allowed" and denied him, then yeah, it likely would be discrimination.

    If they could not articulate ANY rule in their membership that they denied him based on, then yeah, again, likely discrimination.
    Exactly. That is the lunacy of this thought process. All personal behavior must be tolerated no matter what it is.
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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Mind you, them having this rule in their membership makes me think they're along the same lines as the Lesbian Prom chick from some months ago, whose doing something stubbornly primarily and specifically to get attention.

    As I've said before, if they didn't want homosexuals they could've not had that rule and just made it a point to each semester do some kind of legal work that goes towards limiting the rights of homosexuals, creating a defacto disincentive for them to join ala ethnic clubs. They could have some kind of membership process where to become a full member you must be picked by a majority of membership, ala a fraternity, in which case you could make statements such as the individual not seeming to display an aptitude for working and meshing well with the individuals of the group during his times around them. Etc. Could complaints still happen at that point? Sure, but it would be far harder to prove "discrimination" in those cases then when you have it blatantly and boldly in your rules.

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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Exactly. That is the lunacy of this thought process. All personal behavior must be tolerated no matter what it is.
    No, all legal personal behavior must be tolerated if one wants to recieve the benefits of an open-enrollment college group.

    If you want to be picky concerning it that's fine, but you don't get campus funding.

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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Mind you, them having this rule in their membership makes me think they're along the same lines as the Lesbian Prom chick from some months ago, whose doing something stubbornly primarily and specifically to get attention.

    As I've said before, if they didn't want homosexuals they could've not had that rule and just made it a point to each semester do some kind of legal work that goes towards limiting the rights of homosexuals, creating a defacto disincentive for them to join ala ethnic clubs. They could have some kind of membership process where to become a full member you must be picked by a majority of membership, ala a fraternity, in which case you could make statements such as the individual not seeming to display an aptitude for working and meshing well with the individuals of the group during his times around them. Etc. Could complaints still happen at that point? Sure, but it would be far harder to prove "discrimination" in those cases then when you have it blatantly and boldly in your rules.
    Its just sad its come to that point where we are moving towards a society where no personal behavior can be excluded from any group that receives government funding no matter how contrast that behavior is to the group itself.
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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Its just sad its come to that point where we are moving towards a society where no personal behavior can be excluded from any group that receives government funding no matter how contrast that behavior is to the group itself.
    It's sad that private organizations can't use public dollars to enforce their own prejudices? Those are my tax dollars. IF they want to bar gays/lesbians, let them do it on their own damn dime, NOT MINE. It's sad that you don't understand the difference between private and public funds. It's sad that your views in this context are quite hypocritical, because if it was a muslim group, you'd be applauding the decision. It's sad that religious interests believe they need to belly up to the public trough and suck up their fill of the tax dollars.

    It's really sad that religious people are so fat and complacent that they can't even fund their own charitable endeavors anymore, and think that being a Christian means parking your complacent white ass in a pew every Sunday to participate in an infomercial. It's sad that if Jesus Christ returned today, he wouldn't even recognize the people who use his name as followers of his teachings.

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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, all legal personal behavior must be tolerated if one wants to recieve the benefits of an open-enrollment college group.

    If you want to be picky concerning it that's fine, but you don't get campus funding.
    And you think thats a good idea that all behavior no matter what it is must be tolerated by all groups seeking government funding?
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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's sad that private organizations can't use public dollars to enforce their own prejudices? Those are my tax dollars. IF they want to bar gays/lesbians, let them do it on their own damn dime, NOT MINE. It's sad that you don't understand the difference between private and public funds. It's sad that your views in this context are quite hypocritical, because if it was a muslim group, you'd be applauding the decision. It's sad that religious interests believe they need to belly up to the public trough and suck up their fill of the tax dollars.

    It's really sad that religious people are so fat and complacent that they can't even fund their own charitable endeavors anymore, and think that being a Christian means parking your complacent white ass in a pew every Sunday to participate in an infomercial. It's sad that if Jesus Christ returned today, he wouldn't even recognize the people who use his name as followers of his teachings.
    So you must be A-Ok if you had a group receiving government funding and a NAMBLA member wanted to join. You would be forced to accept him into your group. You're ok with that?

    Its when you actually think this through its not as utopia as you want to it be
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