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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

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    The point I was trying to make is that there are legal and illegal reasons to not hire someone. It is illegal to not hire someone on basis of any reason on a special legal list. I know that we have that list printed on a poster in our breakroom at work. It's only illegal discrimination if it's one of those reasons, other than that you can discriminate for any reason you want. Let's just forget my speaking spanish example.
    Ok, ok. Listen, it's not DISCRIMINATION....legal or illegal, it's just not.

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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Ok, ok. Listen, it's not DISCRIMINATION....legal or illegal, it's just not.
    What isn't? I'm referring to not hiring or letting someone join because they're a pedophile. You're saying that's not discrimination? You need more than one sentence so we know what the holy hell you're talking about.
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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    What isn't? I'm referring to not hiring or letting someone join because they're a pedophile. You're saying that's not discrimination? You need more than one sentence so we know what the holy hell you're talking about.
    Having a legal reason to not hire someone is not discrimination. It's not legal discrimination, it's not illegal discrimination, it's NOT DISCRIMINATION. You are using the word incorrectly.

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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Having a legal reason to not hire someone is not discrimination. It's not legal discrimination, it's not illegal discrimination, it's NOT DISCRIMINATION. You are using the word incorrectly.
    Did you not read where I said "drop the not speaking spanish" argument? Can we just move on past that? it's not worth debating. If you want to start arguing over the dictionary definition of "discriminate", we can, but it'd be a side track.
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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Did you not read where I said "drop the not speaking spanish" argument? Can we just move on past that? it's not worth debating. If you want to start arguing over the dictionary definition of "discriminate", we can, but it'd be a side track.
    No, what you are not getting is the concept of discrimination. Pedophilia is illegal, not hiring a pedophile because they are a pedophile implies there is some reason that it is known they are a pedophile, in other words, that they are a felon. It is not discrimination to not hire or allow membership based on your criminal background. Being a homosexual is not illegal. Not hiring or admitting someone who is a homosexual because they are a homosexual is discrimination.

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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, what you are not getting is the concept of discrimination. Pedophilia is illegal, not hiring a pedophile because they are a pedophile implies there is some reason that it is known they are a pedophile, in other words, that they are a felon. It is not discrimination to not hire or allow membership based on your criminal background. Being a homosexual is not illegal. Not hiring or admitting someone who is a homosexual because they are a homosexual is discrimination.
    I'm not necessarily referring to someone who is convicted of actually molesting children. Someone who self-identified as a person who is sexually attracted to children may not have actually gone out and raped children, but they might still advocate the legalization of pedophilia. There are many reasons to not hire this person or let them into your club, even if they haven't broken any laws.
    The Makeout Hobo is real, and does indeed travel around the country in his van and make out with ladies... If you meet the Makeout Hobo, it is customary to greet him with a shot of whiskey and a high five (if you are a dude) or passionate makeouts (if you are a lady).

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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Having a legal reason to not hire someone is not discrimination. It's not legal discrimination, it's not illegal discrimination, it's NOT DISCRIMINATION. You are using the word incorrectly.
    Actually, it is "discrimination" in the perfect definition. They have legal discriminating qualifications but they are not guilty of illegal discrimination.

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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

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    Seems like a reasonable decision to me. The first amendment protects your right to discriminate but it does not protect your right to receive public funding or recognition to enable your discrimination. (the Christian group in question excluded homosexuals)

    5-4 decision, with the expected conservative/liberal split and Kennedy siding with the liberals on this one. That four supreme court justices think the first amendment protects your right to public funding of discrimination is fairly disturbing.

    On the plus side, this gives some hope to the folks waiting on overturn of California's Prop 8, as it shows that Kennedy wont automatically side against homosexuality. Overturning Prop 8 is a much bigger decision, though, so how he ends up in the inevitable Supreme Court case remains to be seen.
    Sounds right to me. While the government must allow private discrimination, it can not support it.

    I guess this group is just going to have to choose between a free hand out or their principals.

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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Actually, it is "discrimination" in the perfect definition. They have legal discriminating qualifications but they are not guilty of illegal discrimination.
    You make it sound like they've comitted a crime.

    The group is going to be allowed to do whatever it wants. No one is going to prizon over this.

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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You make it sound like they've comitted a crime.

    The group is going to be allowed to do whatever it wants. No one is going to prizon over this.
    That's precisely what I said. They've committed no crime in the makeout hobo's example of making "fluent in Spanish" a discriminating qualification. They did not commit any illegal discrimination; any qualification requirement is a discrimination in its truest definition. When I decide to paint my walls blue instead of green, I made a choice based on my discriminating taste.

    The Makeout Hobo was 100% accurate in what he said.

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