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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    So, you don't believe that any behavior should be illegal? Homosexuality = drug trafficking = homicide to you? Wow. I'm not sure how to help you.
    Its not what I believe Catz. Its this decision you are so supportive of that says it.

    You can't even spell the concept, much less articulate an understanding of discrimination.
    Oh for God's sake put your Captain Spellcheck tights in the closest. Of all the petty 4 year old comments.

    You keep repeating like a parrot that I don't understand the word discrimination.

    Let's look at it


    treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.


    Now, explain in your words how you are not discriminating against someone who believes what NAMBLA believes and you exclude them from your group.

    For once in your life answer the question.
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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I say take all government money out of our schools. maybe then we might see some parody in what is being taught.


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    I completely agree. We would see complete parody if we removed government money from school. I'm glad to see you're finally coming around on that.
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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Thats the same thing.

    So if a NABMLA memeber wanted to join a liberal group and they denied them they should loose funding because that would be "descrimination"
    If the NAMBLA member isn't doing anything to conflict with the rules and regulations of the club, I see no reason to not let him join. If he gets up at the rallies and starts yelling about how ****ing children should be legal, then I'm sure he violates a rule of our club and we have a reason to boot him. Furthermore, just because he shows up at the meetings doesn't mean we have to do a damn thing to make him feel welcome.
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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    If the NAMBLA member isn't doing anything to conflict with the rules and regulations of the club, I see no reason to not let him join. If he gets up at the rallies and starts yelling about how ****ing children should be legal, then I'm sure he violates a rule of our club and we have a reason to boot him. Furthermore, just because he shows up at the meetings doesn't mean we have to do a damn thing to make him feel welcome.
    But what rule would that be? What rule could you propose that would not be classified as discriminatory? Thats the problem I have which such a general statement to these groups.
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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    They would have to present a logical defense that proved that not engaging in homosexual sex acts while still calling oneself a homosexual is, in and of itself, sinful according to the bible. A very difficult thing to try and prove using the bible since the homosexual culture didn't exist back then. If they can't defend ther posiiton logically, it isn't valid logically.
    Ah, so the school should be given the power to dictate whether or not a particular clubs religious views are correct, and more precisely that a persons or groups religious views are "logical"?

    Really?

    Sorry, it comes down to it that deciding whether or not a clubs use of discrimination is "abitrary or not" is in and of itself an arbitrary decision made by individuals in the administration.

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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    But what rule would that be? What rule could you propose that would not be classified as discriminatory? Thats the problem I have which such a general statement to these groups.
    "Anyone who publicly advocates positions antithetical to the platform of the Young Democrats Club within their official position as a member of said club will be expelled from the club."
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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    But what rule would that be? What rule could you propose that would not be classified as discriminatory? Thats the problem I have which such a general statement to these groups.
    There could be minimum mandatory issues of decorum at meetings.

    There could be rules regarding showing up to a certain number of events.

    There could be rules regarding being respectful to your fellow members.

    There could be rules regarding behavior at group activities.

    Etc.

    There's a large difference between discriminating in regards to allowing membership based on views and beliefs, and taking action against members whose ACTIONS violate defined rules

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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    "Anyone who publicly advocates positions antithetical to the platform of the Young Democrats Club within their official position as a member of said club will be expelled from the club."
    Bingo.

    You can't discriminate against peoples views, beliefs, or protected status's (race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc) in regards to MEMBERSHIP.

    That said, all members have to abide by the rules of the club. For example, I'd have an issue with this group denying homosexuals entry into their group. I wouldn't however have an issue with them saying that members of this group that are found publicy advocating for policy or political positions contrary to the views held by the club could potentially be expelled from membership.

    So for example, a homosexual person would be welcome to join, however he can't go to a gay marriage rally and expect to remain in it.

    This goes back to my comment that membership in situation where you don't want discrimination to happen for clubs should be absolutely open, however that doesn't mean that there won't be ways for clubs to have defacto discrimination. It'd be similar to a club focusing on black political issues allowing in someone that is white, but kicking him out if he spoke out publicly against affirmative action.

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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    "Anyone who publicly advocates positions antithetical to the platform of the Young Democrats Club within their official position as a member of said club will be expelled from the club."
    Isn't that what the christian group said? And they were rejeted funding based off that.
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    Re: Court: Christian group can't bar gays [and] get funding

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Bingo.

    You can't discriminate against peoples views, beliefs, or protected status's (race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc) in regards to MEMBERSHIP.

    That said, all members have to abide by the rules of the club. For example, I'd have an issue with this group denying homosexuals entry into their group. I wouldn't however have an issue with them saying that members of this group that are found publicy advocating for policy or political positions contrary to the views held by the club could potentially be expelled from membership.

    So for example, a homosexual person would be welcome to join, however he can't go to a gay marriage rally and expect to remain in it.

    This goes back to my comment that membership in situation where you don't want discrimination to happen for clubs should be absolutely open, however that doesn't mean that there won't be ways for clubs to have defacto discrimination. It'd be similar to a club focusing on black political issues allowing in someone that is white, but kicking him out if he spoke out publicly against affirmative action.
    As an aside, I've always wanted to start a "european-american culture club" just to see what people do.
    The Makeout Hobo is real, and does indeed travel around the country in his van and make out with ladies... If you meet the Makeout Hobo, it is customary to greet him with a shot of whiskey and a high five (if you are a dude) or passionate makeouts (if you are a lady).

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