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Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

That is not the way the Arizona law works.
Oh this is gonna be good, I can hardly wait to read the rest of this. Have you READ the Arizona Law? Or are you just parroting the DNC Talking points, let's find out!.

Cops can do ID inspections anywhere they please, including if you are just walking down the street.
As I suspected, you haven't read the law, have no clue how it works and are parroting liberal lies. Your lean might be listed as "Undisclosed" under your name, but one merely needs to read what you write to see just how far left you fall.

They only need the pre-tense of you being an illegal immigrant to demand ID.
Exactly where DO you get your lies? Media Matters? Whitehouse.gov? Which propaganda site? MSNBC? Olbermann? Maddow???
If you can't produce it then they can detain you, even if they didn't have prior probable cause (i.e. you were committing a crime). Simply accusing you of being an illegal is enough.
See this is what you've been TOLD to believe, and like a good UI Soldier, you don't bother to think past what you've been ordered to think.

Kind of reminds me of the PATRIOT Act in that as soon as they fabricate a terrorism accusation, your rights go out the window.
Seeing as you haven't any clue how the Arizona Law works, and it's a simple bit of reading, one can only dismiss your assessment of the complex Patriot Act outright.
People should be opposed to the Arizona law because of this.
If your version of the law was real, I'd be with you, but you are so far off base as to what the law says, and does that people should be opposed to taking you seriously from this point on.

However, people are sheep and if it supports their pet causes they will gladly let rights be trampled on.
Expect, that you are the sheep, who believes lies about what this law says and does.

Same thing with the recent SCOTUS ruling that lets the Fed extent detention to an indefinite period if you are a "dangerous" sex offender, and without trial by peers.
And for good reason, Sex Offenders have the highest recidivism rate of all criminals. Once you've shown you're a sex fiend, the Gov't has too assess how dangerous. Your rights do not include buggering children.


I shall now educate you, so sit back, take notes and prepare.

Myth No. 1: The law requires aliens to carry identification that they weren't already required to carry. On the contrary, the law simply penalizes aliens who fail to carry the registration documents that federal law already requires them to keep on their person. These federal crimes (8 United States Code Section 1304(a) or 1306(e)) have been around since 1940. The Arizona law simply adds a layer of state penalty to what already was a crime under federal law.

...As for U.S. citizens, the law does not require them to carry any identification whatsoever. Indeed, the law cannot possibly be applied against U.S. citizens; only an alien can be found guilty under the Arizona statute.
So, what you've been rallying against, has been a US LAW SINCE 1940.

Myth No. 2: The law will encourage racial profiling. The terms of the act make clear that such profiling cannot occur. Section 2 provides that a law enforcement official "may not solely consider race, color, or national origin" in making any stops or determining an alien's immigration status. In addition, all of the normal Fourth Amendment protections against racial profiling still apply.

Moreover, the law actually reduces the likelihood of racial profiling by forcing police officers to contact the federal government to verify a person's immigration status when they suspect a person is an illegal alien. It already was permissible for police officers across the country to make arrests for violations of federal immigration law where reasonable suspicion existed that a violation had occurred. Now, in Arizona, officers will have to make a phone call to Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) 24/7 hot line to confirm that any aliens in their custody really are present unlawfully. Officers can no longer proceed based solely on their own assessment of a person's immigration status. In this way, the Arizona law takes any consideration of race out of the equation - strengthening the protections against racial profiling.

Oh look, it was designed too, and used existing programs and laws to help avoid any "Profiling"! The chef, btw is preparing your crow.

And finally, the nail in the coffin of the lies you spew:

Myth No. 3: The law will require Arizona police officers to stop and question people. Here again, critics of the law are failing to read it carefully. The law only kicks in when a police officer already has made a "lawful contact" with a person, such as stopping him for breaking another law. The most likely contact is during the issuance of a speeding ticket. The law does not require the officer to begin questioning a person about his immigration status or to do anything the officer would not otherwise do.

Only after a stop is made, and subsequently the officer develops reasonable suspicion on his own that an immigration law has been violated, is any obligation imposed. At that point, the officer is required to call ICE to confirm whether the person is an illegal alien. Are critics seriously suggesting that local law enforcement officers should ignore the violations of federal law that they see at that point?
FREEDOM EDEN: Arizona Immigration Law Myths
KOBACH: Arizona acts as Washington dithers - Washington Times

Your crow is served sir, bon appetit!
 
Your crow is served sir, bon appetit!

Mr Vic...This is usually the part where the mindless liberal muppets quietly slink away. All they have is "this is racist" and "its profiling" and "the papers!!! the papers!!!". Few if any have bothered to actually read the law. They oppose it because they have been told they are SUPPOSED to oppose it. Its actually kind of comforting knowing that MOST of them dont give it any independent thought...because if they actually THOUGHT about this (the state is simply enforcing EXISTING law...the FEDS have already demonstrated they believe the states SHOULD enforce immigration law and enforced that notion by spending MILLIONS on training state police agencies on INS tactics...and saying this is profiling when 1-the law SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES profiling as a non non...but...2-the FEDERAL INS laws ALLOW for and the supreme court has SUPPORTED profiling as a viable means of illegal immigration policing) and still stated an opposition to it...how moronic would THAT make them? better to bleat like sheep and enjoy the whole "ignorance is bliss thing" that has served them so well...
 
Mr Vic...This is usually the part where the mindless liberal muppets quietly slink away. All they have is "this is racist" and "its profiling" and "the papers!!! the papers!!!". Few if any have bothered to actually read the law. They oppose it because they have been told they are SUPPOSED to oppose it. Its actually kind of comforting knowing that MOST of them dont give it any independent thought...because if they actually THOUGHT about this (the state is simply enforcing EXISTING law...the FEDS have already demonstrated they believe the states SHOULD enforce immigration law and enforced that notion by spending MILLIONS on training state police agencies on INS tactics...and saying this is profiling when 1-the law SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES profiling as a non non...but...2-the FEDERAL INS laws ALLOW for and the supreme court has SUPPORTED profiling as a viable means of illegal immigration policing) and still stated an opposition to it...how moronic would THAT make them? better to bleat like sheep and enjoy the whole "ignorance is bliss thing" that has served them so well...


You got the slink away part. Orion won't return, and if he does he cannot counter what I wrote, for it debunked him utterly. It's fun, I advise anyone that can, to mock him till he returns to this thread and either defends himself, or admits he was wrong.
 
If you can't produce ID on request they can detain you. Sounds more like a police state to me.
Link and quote the section of the Arizona law that provides for what you claim.
 
The best thing that could happen for Arizona is to have the court system throw the law out. That way the politicians can say, “Well, we tried,” and the boycott movement would end before real lasting damage to the Arizona economy is suffered.

So do nothing is the best for Arizona and the US? I do agree the courts need to jump in sooner than later. I also would like the see the Feds enforce the laws the US has on the books.
 
I was surprised to see just how overwhelming the support for Arizona is in America.

I knew the majority was on their side. But I had no idea how many. Mind boggling to see so many Americans agreeing on something, anything, to an almosyt unanimous degree. Screw California. Maybe 96% of the population, that seem to support Arizona, should boycott California. Or maybe America should just give California back to Mexico.

msnbc.com U.S. & World News - Do you support Arizona's tough new law on illegal immigration?
 
I was surprised to see just how overwhelming the support for Arizona is in America.

I knew the majority was on their side. But I had no idea how many. Mind boggling to see so many Americans agreeing on something, anything, to an almost unanimous degree. Screw California. Maybe 96% of the population, that seem to support Arizona, should boycott California. Or maybe America should just give California back to Mexico.

msnbc.com U.S. & World News - Do you support Arizona's tough new law on illegal immigration?
Nah, it's where all the crazy people go to live (albeit in only certain areas), and we wouldn't want to remove such an excellent asylum from easy access.

Plus, there are occasionally some entertaining productions that arise from those same areas, and we all like entertainment.


:mrgreen:
 
Link and quote the section of the Arizona law that provides for what you claim.

Sorry Mark, I all ready decimated his ignorance on the subject, Orion won't return to this thread, ever again.
 
What AZ needs to do is say all or nothing, no partial boycotts.
 
What AZ needs to do is say all or nothing, no partial boycotts.

Hehe, it doesn't work like that, but that would be funny to see them bar companies from doing business with cities that had partial boycotts..
 
That is not the way the Arizona law works. Cops can do ID inspections anywhere they please, including if you are just walking down the street. They only need the pre-tense of you being an illegal immigrant to demand ID. If you can't produce it then they can detain you, even if they didn't have prior probable cause (i.e. you were committing a crime). Simply accusing you of being an illegal is enough.

Kind of reminds me of the PATRIOT Act in that as soon as they fabricate a terrorism accusation, your rights go out the window.

People should be opposed to the Arizona law because of this. However, people are sheep and if it supports their pet causes they will gladly let rights be trampled on. Same thing with the recent SCOTUS ruling that lets the Fed extent detention to an indefinite period if you are a "dangerous" sex offender, and without trial by peers.


At least read the law before making comments like this, PLEASE. You are absolutley, positively, dead WRONG on this interpretation of the law. READ IT.

Edit. Sorry Mr. Vic, I came late to this thread, do carry on with your desimation of the libbys.
 
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Hehe, it doesn't work like that, but that would be funny to see them bar companies from doing business with cities that had partial boycotts..

I read an article on Yahoo News about a week ago where California was finding it very hard to boycott Arizona due to almost half of the electricity California uses comes from Arizona. The article was from the Arizona electric company's president telling California and other states that if they really want to boycott Arizona and it's businesses the electric company would be more than happy to help them with their boycott. :lol:
 
What else can be said? The City Commission in San Francisco thought that Arizona was a Nothing State containing mostly ramshackle houses and mud huts with a few Industries that that could simply be flipped off and found that Arizona had more pull than they expected.
 
At least read the law before making comments like this, PLEASE. You are absolutley, positively, dead WRONG on this interpretation of the law. READ IT.

Edit. Sorry Mr. Vic, I came late to this thread, do carry on with your desimation of the libbys.

I'm just waiting for Orion to have the balls to post in this thread again.
 
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