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    Re: Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    If you can't produce ID on request they can detain you. Sounds more like a police state to me.
    Yeah, cause making people have their DL on them, is like EVIL MAN. EVIL.

    Oh WAIT, they cannot do this "detain you" stuff until they have all ready made contact with you because you are suspected of some criminal activity and are actively investigating you?? ****ING HELL WHAT IS THIS COUNTRY COMING TO??
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    Re: Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The best thing that could happen for Arizona is to have the court system throw the law out. That way the politicians can say, “Well, we tried,” and the boycott movement would end before real lasting damage to the Arizona economy is suffered.
    And that would be the worst thing for the country.
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    Re: Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The best thing that could happen for Arizona is to have the court system throw the law out. That way the politicians can say, “Well, we tried,” and the boycott movement would end before real lasting damage to the Arizona economy is suffered.
    NAH...The BEST thing for Arizona will be for the Fed to sue and then for Arizona to countersue the HELL out of the Fed for failure to satisfy their requirements. Sue them for every dollar illegal immigration costs them.

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    Re: Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yeah, cause making people have their DL on them, is like EVIL MAN. EVIL.

    Oh WAIT, they cannot do this "detain you" stuff until they have all ready made contact with you because you are suspected of some criminal activity and are actively investigating you?? ****ING HELL WHAT IS THIS COUNTRY COMING TO??
    That is not the way the Arizona law works. Cops can do ID inspections anywhere they please, including if you are just walking down the street. They only need the pre-tense of you being an illegal immigrant to demand ID. If you can't produce it then they can detain you, even if they didn't have prior probable cause (i.e. you were committing a crime). Simply accusing you of being an illegal is enough.

    Kind of reminds me of the PATRIOT Act in that as soon as they fabricate a terrorism accusation, your rights go out the window.

    People should be opposed to the Arizona law because of this. However, people are sheep and if it supports their pet causes they will gladly let rights be trampled on. Same thing with the recent SCOTUS ruling that lets the Fed extent detention to an indefinite period if you are a "dangerous" sex offender, and without trial by peers.

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    Re: Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post


    When did I say anything about the Constitution?

    And thanks for the dig at my nationality. It was really mature.
    My snark about you being in Canada comes from the G20 debacle - a fair snark more about Canada than you in which carding and arresting people is in action.

    You might not have mentioned the Constittuion - but that is where the federal government and the states are granted their seperate - and joint - powers. . . in the Constitution.
    So in order to determine whether or not Arizona has overstepped it's bounds the places to look are the Constitution and the stacks of federal-regulations. . . and break it down into two parts:

    1) What federal regulations is Arizona executing, are they within the means of those regulations (this is easy - all the regulations that Arizona is adhering to are referred to in the Arizona bill that's in question)
    2) Does Arizona has the power to execute these federal regulations on it's own accord - this is not found in federal regulations, but within the Constitution.
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    Re: Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    That is not the way the Arizona law works.
    Oh this is gonna be good, I can hardly wait to read the rest of this. Have you READ the Arizona Law? Or are you just parroting the DNC Talking points, let's find out!.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Cops can do ID inspections anywhere they please, including if you are just walking down the street.
    As I suspected, you haven't read the law, have no clue how it works and are parroting liberal lies. Your lean might be listed as "Undisclosed" under your name, but one merely needs to read what you write to see just how far left you fall.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    They only need the pre-tense of you being an illegal immigrant to demand ID.
    Exactly where DO you get your lies? Media Matters? Whitehouse.gov? Which propaganda site? MSNBC? Olbermann? Maddow???
    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    If you can't produce it then they can detain you, even if they didn't have prior probable cause (i.e. you were committing a crime). Simply accusing you of being an illegal is enough.
    See this is what you've been TOLD to believe, and like a good UI Soldier, you don't bother to think past what you've been ordered to think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Kind of reminds me of the PATRIOT Act in that as soon as they fabricate a terrorism accusation, your rights go out the window.
    Seeing as you haven't any clue how the Arizona Law works, and it's a simple bit of reading, one can only dismiss your assessment of the complex Patriot Act outright.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    People should be opposed to the Arizona law because of this.
    If your version of the law was real, I'd be with you, but you are so far off base as to what the law says, and does that people should be opposed to taking you seriously from this point on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    However, people are sheep and if it supports their pet causes they will gladly let rights be trampled on.
    Expect, that you are the sheep, who believes lies about what this law says and does.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Same thing with the recent SCOTUS ruling that lets the Fed extent detention to an indefinite period if you are a "dangerous" sex offender, and without trial by peers.
    And for good reason, Sex Offenders have the highest recidivism rate of all criminals. Once you've shown you're a sex fiend, the Gov't has too assess how dangerous. Your rights do not include buggering children.


    I shall now educate you, so sit back, take notes and prepare.

    Myth No. 1: The law requires aliens to carry identification that they weren't already required to carry. On the contrary, the law simply penalizes aliens who fail to carry the registration documents that federal law already requires them to keep on their person. These federal crimes (8 United States Code Section 1304(a) or 1306(e)) have been around since 1940. The Arizona law simply adds a layer of state penalty to what already was a crime under federal law.

    ...As for U.S. citizens, the law does not require them to carry any identification whatsoever. Indeed, the law cannot possibly be applied against U.S. citizens; only an alien can be found guilty under the Arizona statute.
    So, what you've been rallying against, has been a US LAW SINCE 1940.

    Myth No. 2: The law will encourage racial profiling. The terms of the act make clear that such profiling cannot occur. Section 2 provides that a law enforcement official "may not solely consider race, color, or national origin" in making any stops or determining an alien's immigration status. In addition, all of the normal Fourth Amendment protections against racial profiling still apply.

    Moreover, the law actually reduces the likelihood of racial profiling by forcing police officers to contact the federal government to verify a person's immigration status when they suspect a person is an illegal alien. It already was permissible for police officers across the country to make arrests for violations of federal immigration law where reasonable suspicion existed that a violation had occurred. Now, in Arizona, officers will have to make a phone call to Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) 24/7 hot line to confirm that any aliens in their custody really are present unlawfully. Officers can no longer proceed based solely on their own assessment of a person's immigration status. In this way, the Arizona law takes any consideration of race out of the equation - strengthening the protections against racial profiling.
    Oh look, it was designed too, and used existing programs and laws to help avoid any "Profiling"! The chef, btw is preparing your crow.

    And finally, the nail in the coffin of the lies you spew:

    Myth No. 3: The law will require Arizona police officers to stop and question people. Here again, critics of the law are failing to read it carefully. The law only kicks in when a police officer already has made a "lawful contact" with a person, such as stopping him for breaking another law. The most likely contact is during the issuance of a speeding ticket. The law does not require the officer to begin questioning a person about his immigration status or to do anything the officer would not otherwise do.

    Only after a stop is made, and subsequently the officer develops reasonable suspicion on his own that an immigration law has been violated, is any obligation imposed. At that point, the officer is required to call ICE to confirm whether the person is an illegal alien. Are critics seriously suggesting that local law enforcement officers should ignore the violations of federal law that they see at that point?
    FREEDOM EDEN: Arizona Immigration Law Myths
    KOBACH: Arizona acts as Washington dithers - Washington Times

    Your crow is served sir, bon appetit!
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    Re: Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Your crow is served sir, bon appetit!
    Mr Vic...This is usually the part where the mindless liberal muppets quietly slink away. All they have is "this is racist" and "its profiling" and "the papers!!! the papers!!!". Few if any have bothered to actually read the law. They oppose it because they have been told they are SUPPOSED to oppose it. Its actually kind of comforting knowing that MOST of them dont give it any independent thought...because if they actually THOUGHT about this (the state is simply enforcing EXISTING law...the FEDS have already demonstrated they believe the states SHOULD enforce immigration law and enforced that notion by spending MILLIONS on training state police agencies on INS tactics...and saying this is profiling when 1-the law SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES profiling as a non non...but...2-the FEDERAL INS laws ALLOW for and the supreme court has SUPPORTED profiling as a viable means of illegal immigration policing) and still stated an opposition to it...how moronic would THAT make them? better to bleat like sheep and enjoy the whole "ignorance is bliss thing" that has served them so well...

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    Re: Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Mr Vic...This is usually the part where the mindless liberal muppets quietly slink away. All they have is "this is racist" and "its profiling" and "the papers!!! the papers!!!". Few if any have bothered to actually read the law. They oppose it because they have been told they are SUPPOSED to oppose it. Its actually kind of comforting knowing that MOST of them dont give it any independent thought...because if they actually THOUGHT about this (the state is simply enforcing EXISTING law...the FEDS have already demonstrated they believe the states SHOULD enforce immigration law and enforced that notion by spending MILLIONS on training state police agencies on INS tactics...and saying this is profiling when 1-the law SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES profiling as a non non...but...2-the FEDERAL INS laws ALLOW for and the supreme court has SUPPORTED profiling as a viable means of illegal immigration policing) and still stated an opposition to it...how moronic would THAT make them? better to bleat like sheep and enjoy the whole "ignorance is bliss thing" that has served them so well...

    You got the slink away part. Orion won't return, and if he does he cannot counter what I wrote, for it debunked him utterly. It's fun, I advise anyone that can, to mock him till he returns to this thread and either defends himself, or admits he was wrong.
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    Re: Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    It's kind of sad that the view is "Haha LA is losing!" instead of "These are two states in a union and they should be getting along."

    Why hasn't there been some kind of federal intervention to repair ties?
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    Re: Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    If you can't produce ID on request they can detain you. Sounds more like a police state to me.
    Link and quote the section of the Arizona law that provides for what you claim.
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