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    Re: Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    It's kind of sad that the view is "Haha LA is losing!" instead of "These are two states in a union and they should be getting along."

    Why hasn't there been some kind of federal intervention to repair ties?

    I would just wait for SCOTUS to toss out the Arizona law - which it will - before taking such drastic boycott measures.
    No the SCOTUS will uphold the law. The liberal fantasy that Arizona allowing police to inquire into citizenship during the course of police work is somehow unconstitutional is quite amusing.
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    Re: Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No the SCOTUS will uphold the law. The liberal fantasy that Arizona allowing police to inquire into citizenship during the course of police work is somehow unconstitutional is quite amusing.
    The law was made while declaring it was simply enforcing federal law, but the federal government has already explained why that doesn't make sense. If it gets to SCOTUS it will be shot down based on simple logic.

    But I know logic is something alien to you.

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    Re: Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The law was made while declaring it was simply enforcing federal law, but the federal government has already explained why that doesn't make sense. If it gets to SCOTUS it will be shot down based on simple logic.

    But I know logic is something alien to you.
    So says the mighty Orion from Canada about issues involving the US Constitution.

    It's far more complicated than that - and there hasn't been any cases quite like it come to SCOTUS so it will ultimately be up to them to decide if Arizona is within their means or not.

    The question of the issue isn't really Constitutionality - it's whether or not a state has open permission and ability to enforce certain federal laws. A state can't make money, for example - so - can a state enforce federal regulations where there's no particular code deeming the action to be acceptable/unacceptable?

    This type of situation simply hasn't been addressed. . . . thus, no one really knows what the court will decide.
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    Re: Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The law was made while declaring it was simply enforcing federal law, but the federal government has already explained why that doesn't make sense. If it gets to SCOTUS it will be shot down based on simple logic.

    But I know logic is something alien to you.
    This should be fun...

    Pray tell...other than the ludicrous profiling argument, what is the federal governments opposition to this law? I mean...after all...the federal government DID spend millions training state police agencies on INS tactics and enforcement. And since AG Holder AND BO both admitted they ranted on about this state law for weeks without actually READING it...

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    Re: Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I think this story about the challenges of imposing a boycott represents good news for Arizona … and very bad. Good news that it is much harder to single out businesses solely based on their location and perhaps more important to terminate existing relationships and contracts. But also very bad news in that when new opportunities are lost, they will be lost for a considerable time for the same reason, probably outlasting the obnoxious state policy and responding boycott.

    What Arizonans are seeing now is decades of consequences being heaped on their heads. Businesses will think twice (or more) about locating there; others will examine moving out of there; workers will follow their jobs to other states; new houses for those workers will built where they go; etc., etc. The boycott must overcome inertia initially which favors Arizona, but, the boycott's eventual momentum will be very bad for Arizona. Of all the states Arizona is probably among the most dependent on new residents moving there; without the incentives that come with a growing economy one shudders and what will become of our youngest contiguous state.
    Yep, California is way ahead of Arizona. What is your budget deficit? You think that is going to bring in new businesses by leaps and bounds? If I was to wager, I bet Arizona economy (state) despites its problems will fair better than CA over then next 10 years. Seems the 9th circuit supported our 2007 law that went after businesses that hired illegals. Now its up the the Supreme Court. If it rules against AZ, many other states will have to change some of their employer laws.
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    Re: Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So says the mighty Orion from Canada about issues involving the US Constitution.

    It's far more complicated than that - and there hasn't been any cases quite like it come to SCOTUS so it will ultimately be up to them to decide if Arizona is within their means or not.

    The question of the issue isn't really Constitutionality - it's whether or not a state has open permission and ability to enforce certain federal laws. A state can't make money, for example - so - can a state enforce federal regulations where there's no particular code deeming the action to be acceptable/unacceptable?

    This type of situation simply hasn't been addressed. . . . thus, no one really knows what the court will decide.


    When did I say anything about the Constitution?

    And thanks for the dig at my nationality. It was really mature.

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    Re: Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

    I find this amusing.

    LA gov to Arizona: "Screw you, Arizona, we don't like your law directed at illegal immigrants, so we're going to boycott everything from your state."

    LA gov internal dialog: "Ok, gotta stop trading with those barbarians from Arizona, now, what we are actually trading with Arizona... Uhh... Wait, this is gonna be HARD. It might actually HURT our reelection chances...Can't have that!"

    But on a more serious note, I read a good portion of the Arizona law, and saw little issue with it.

    Then again, I don't know what parameters it must fit to be accepted by the SCOTUS...

    But IMO, they should uphold it - barring info I have yet to discover.
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    Re: Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I find this amusing.

    LA gov to Arizona: "Screw you, Arizona, we don't like your law directed at illegal immigrants, so we're going to boycott everything from your state."

    LA gov internal dialog: "Ok, gotta stop trading with those barbarians from Arizona, now, what we are actually trading with Arizona... Uhh... Wait, this is gonna be HARD. It might actually HURT our reelection chances...Can't have that!"

    But on a more serious note, I read a good portion of the Arizona law, and saw little issue with it.

    Then again, I don't know what parameters it must fit to be accepted by the SCOTUS...

    But IMO, they should uphold it - barring info I have yet to discover.
    If you can't produce ID on request they can detain you. Sounds more like a police state to me.

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    Re: Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    If you can't produce ID on request they can detain you. Sounds more like a police state to me.
    Is that REEEEEEAAAALLLLYYY what the law says?

    Gosh...THAT sounds a little more like Canada and the G20 than it does Arizona's law. Of course...if that WERE the case it would be similar to the INS and US IMMIGRATION laws and federal enforcement...

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    Re: Cities Discovering an Arizona Boycott May Do More Harm Than Good

    The best thing that could happen for Arizona is to have the court system throw the law out. That way the politicians can say, “Well, we tried,” and the boycott movement would end before real lasting damage to the Arizona economy is suffered.
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