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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    If he behaves in ways that could possibly be construed as further endangering our troops while this war is still ongoing, I can assure you it will not endear him to the American public in any way.

    It's time for McCrystal to buy a cabin in the Adirondacks and spend some quality time communing with nature and perfecting his fly-fishing technique.
    The appropriate time for tell-all books and interviews is far in the future, if ever.
    He has already earned himself a reputation as an individual who can't keep his mouth shut, to the detriment of himself and our troops.

    Why is that? Was it only appropriate when Generals did it to a Republican in office?

    I smell a huge double standard.

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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    1I've still yet to figure out what the offending remark BY McChrystal is?
    First off, this is a strawman, because it isn't just the comments that McChrystal made, but ALSO the culture of arrogance and disrespect towards the civilians that he works for that he cultivated within his inner circle and allowed to be exposed to a media representative that is a problem.

    Secondly, these are remarks that smack of outright insubordination to his chain of command, of which Joe Biden is a member.

    Further, insulting our allies and then having those insults printed? Stupid beyond belief.

    Some of the comments:

    'How'd I get screwed into going to this dinner?" demands Gen. Stanley McChrystal…

    I'd rather have my ass kicked by a roomful of people than go out to this dinner," McChrystal says.
    He pauses a beat.
    "Unfortunately," he adds, "no one in this room could do it."
    With that, he's out the door.
    "Who's he going to dinner with?" I ask one of his aides.
    "Some French minister," the aide tells me. "It's ****ing gay."
    In any work context, saying this sort of thing in front of a media representative is going to get your ass canned.
    Imagine, for instance, you and your staff saying this about an important business meeting with clients, and then having this reported in the news. You want to tell me you and your “aide” wouldn’t be fired for embarrassing your company? Or, just say it’s you being quoted by the press saying that your work assignments are I call bull****.

    Now, flipping through printout cards of his speech in Paris, McChrystal wonders aloud what Biden question he might get today, and how he should respond. "I never know what's going to pop out until I'm up there, that's the problem," he says. Then, unable to help themselves, he and his staff imagine the general dismissing the vice president with a good one-liner.
    "Are you asking about Vice President Biden?" McChrystal says with a laugh. "Who's that?"
    "Biden?" suggests a top adviser. "Did you say: Bite Me?"
    Imagine, for instance, seeing yourself quoted in a newspaper saying this about your company VP. Do you really believe you wouldn’t be fired for publicly expressing contempt for his/her leadership?
    These are from page 1 of the article. I consider your comments patently disingenuous. There isn’t a company on earth that wouldn’t fire someone for behaving like this in front of the press, and having it reported to 2 million readers.

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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    When we do good, no one remembers. When we do bad, no one forgets.

    That's actually the creed for the Hell's Angels motorcycle club. I thought it appropriate for General McChrystal's firing and subsequent resignation.
    Hey, it's not like he received a dishonorable discharge. I also doubt that he's being forced to resign. He reached the top. There is really nothing left for him to look forward to. It's time for him to try something new.
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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    First off, this is a strawman, because it isn't just the comments that McChrystal made, but ALSO the culture of arrogance and disrespect towards the civilians that he works for that he cultivated within his inner circle and allowed to be exposed to a media representative that is a problem.
    How is it a strawman.

    People in this thread and elsewhere are condemning him for his "comments about Barack Obama". How is me asking "What comments did it quote mcchrystal of saying about Barack Obama" a strawman?

    Indeed, the only strawman I see is you arguing as if I've said that the sum of McChrystals actions didn't warrant the action that was taken. I say its a strawman, because its an argument I never made.

    Secondly, these are remarks that smack of outright insubordination to his chain of command, of which Joe Biden is a member.
    There only one, one, comment in the entire article directly attributed to McChrystal that could even come CLOSE to being considered insubordination towards someone above him in the chain of command and even that's a HUGE stretch as its a joking comment made in regards to questions from the press corp and how he'd like to answer it.

    [qoute]Further, insulting our allies and then having those insults printed? Stupid beyond belief.[/quote]

    I find it hillarious you want to lecture about strawmen and then start beating up entire fields of them.

    Yes, its stupid beyond belief. Good thing I never stated he didn't do stupid things.

    In any work context, saying this sort of thing in front of a media representative is going to get your ass canned.
    Oh look, another strawman.

    Imagine, for instance, seeing yourself quoted in a newspaper saying this about your company VP. Do you really believe you wouldn’t be fired for publicly expressing contempt for his/her leadership?
    What, it coming out that I stated in front of a reporter that...after previously making stupid comments about the VP and thus having reporters ask about him all the time...I state I'd like to respond with "Who's that?" when I get the inevitable questions about him?

    Yeah, I imagine there's backlash for doing something stupid. I wouldn't call it insubordination, or even insulting to the VP, its insulting to the Press Corp by trying to be dismissive of their questions of which I'm deriding.

    oh, and its still not a comment about the PRESIDENT...you know, the actual thing I've been asking for.

    I consider your comments patently disingenuous.
    Funny, the feelings mutural. Especially since you're entire post is one giant argument against a strawmen and nothing at all in regards to my actual statement that the accusations of him having quotes insulting the president as untrue.

    Let me make it very clear, once more.

    There was nothing wrong or uncalled for in regards to the dismissing of McChrystal. There was nothing smart about allowing rolling stone that kind of access. There was nothing smart about his staff saying the things they stated. There was nothing smart about joking in a crude way around in a friendly manner with his subordinantes and aides in front of a reporter. There was nothing smart in regards to joking about not wanting to dismiss questions about the VP or not wanting to take the email from a beuracrat. McChrystal showed some poor judgement, either on his own or in regards to who he delegate authority to make decisions to, and there was enough questionable circumstances throughout to warrant the action taken. My issue, and only issue, is the repeated claim and the implication presented by people in this thread, on this forum, many liberals, and many in the media, that McChrystal's dismissal was in part due to comments he made in the article about the President, of which there is nothing but heresay. My additional issue, on top of that, is many of those same people who are condemning him in part due to heresay comments are ignoring or dismissing heresay comments made about individuals they support.

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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Dude...did you read the article? You want to tell me that you'd have said that stuff in front of a reporter? Any of it? I don't have idiot written on my forehead, so don't play the disingenuous naif with me.

    disingenuous naif...



    Which comments are you in particular talking about that he stated? I read the article. "timid" and whatever seem rather a weak reason to fire someone, no?
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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    It is quite amazing the vitriol some have for an honorable American who served his country, simply because he was around people who dissed thier guy.
    Very true! The same people who are raggin' on McChrystal are probably the same folks that were cheering General Batiste when he was dissin' Bush. Didn't hear anyone crying about him, "endangering the troops".
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