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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Obama has always been the type who can admit his mistakes.
    He doesn't pretend to be more than human.
    If he made a mistake putting McChrystal in charge (time will tell, but no one can deny the war has been going increasingly badly, the ROE changes have been unpopular with troops on the ground, and McChrystal's Rolling Stone interview points to a bewildering lapse of judgement which may or may not have been an isolated incident), he wouldn't have a problem admitting his mistake. And rectifying it.
    His supporters wouldn't look down on him for that.

    I hope the same holds true for Afghanistan in general; if, after the Christmas review, things still seem to be going downhill, I hope Obama will admit we're on the wrong path and either change strategies or begin a pull out.
    I've heard so many people say "If we give up now, all these fallen soldiers have died for nothing."
    But if our strategy (or our entire purpose in being there) turns out to be wrong, I can't imagine the fallen soldiers would want more of their comrades to die in service of it.

    It really is beginning to seem a lot like Vietnam.
    I agree...we are fighting a war now without purpose or direction. I said this 'way back when'...one of my complaints about Bush was that they did a great job of winning the war but a lousy job of preserving the peace. i believe they should have told them point blank..."baby...you got til December 2006 to stand up your troops...insist on their competence and training...and then we are outie. If you want this place to turn into a big smouldering ****hole...do nothing...have no expectations of your police or military. Good luck with that."

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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I think that Afghanistan and Iraq are becoming BO's tar babies. Add that to the list of Don't Ask, Don't Tell; Gitmo; other overseas prisons where people are being held without trial/access to counsel; torture; etc.

    Obama inherited a cluster, and I'm not sure he's up to the job.
    Im not seeing a "Thanks" option...so...

    Thanks...I agree...

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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Rev...I believe it was with a purpose. I DO think that gen McChrystal HAD to know his comments were going into an article. I grant you...what he said about BO wasnt all that bad...
    There's nothing in the article directly quoted from McChrystal that was even ABOUT Barack Obama.

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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Rev...I believe it was with a purpose. I DO think that gen McChrystal HAD to know his comments were going into an article. I grant you...what he said about BO wasnt all that bad...

    Could it have been a case of blinding egomaniacism?
    I don't really know much about McChrystal's character, but could he have thought perhaps that he was so valuable that they wouldn't dare reproach him for his insolence?
    Could he have thought the Obama administration so weak and pussified that they just wouldn't do anything, no matter how disrespectful he was?

    I know that it's easy for one's reality to become skewed, when one is surrounded 24/7 by sycophants or even by "like-minded others".
    And I feel the military in general doesn't have much respect for Obama or his administration.
    Maybe talking smack about them is just sort of... normal, amongst military brass.
    Maybe McChrystal lost sight of the fact that in the larger, non-military world, it's viewed as unacceptable for him to publicly and openly mock the presidential administration.

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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    There's nothing in the article directly quoted from McChrystal that was even ABOUT Barack Obama.
    Really doesnt matter. There is a general attitude of disdain that existed in his command. He is responsible for it. I believe I have said that from the beginning...no...his comments about BO werent horrible. But when your staff refers to Biden as derisively as BiteMe and calls the NSA a 'clown' (again...I dont refute the validity of the comments) then you have a general attitude that the LEADER has to be responsible for. And Im sorry...but you can say this stuff to me all you want...within the chain...but if you say this to a reporter??? NOT worthy of court martial. DEFINITELY worthy of reassignment. Reassignment would be a career ender. He just sped up the plow.

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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Could it have been a case of blinding egomaniacism?
    I don't really know much about McChrystal's character, but could he have thought perhaps that he was so valuable that they wouldn't dare reproach him for his insolence?
    Could he have thought the Obama administration so weak and pussified that they just wouldn't do anything, no matter how disrespectful he was?

    I know that it's easy for one's reality to become skewed, when one is surrounded 24/7 by sycophants or even by "like-minded others".
    And I feel the military in general doesn't have much respect for Obama or his administration.
    Maybe talking smack about them is just sort of... normal, amongst military brass.
    Maybe McChrystal lost sight of the fact that in the larger, non-military world, it's viewed as unacceptable for him to publicly and openly mock the presidential administration.
    I dont know...truly I dont. I have read NUMEROUS articles by journalists that are left leaning that had NOTHING but positive things to say about McChrystal. Perhaps it WAS simply arrogance. Perhaps it was incompetence. Or perhaps its disdain born from the imcpotence of the administration. Really doesnt matter as to the results regarding his assignment or retiring...but it MAY be hugely important if it IS the administration and they are still there in a capacity to cause young men and women to die. Im willing to examine both sides...are you?

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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont know...truly I dont. I have read NUMEROUS articles by journalists that are left leaning that had NOTHING but positive things to say about McChrystal. Perhaps it WAS simply arrogance. Perhaps it was incompetence. Or perhaps its disdain born from the imcpotence of the administration. Really doesnt matter as to the results regarding his assignment or retiring...but it MAY be hugely important if it IS the administration and they are still there in a capacity to cause young men and women to die. Im willing to examine both sides...are you?
    BTW...I served during Clintons presidency and in several of his little skirmishes. No...the military didnt have much love for Clinton either but I cant imagine anyone going outside of the command and certainly not to the media. I personally shared my share of greivances (none of which had to do with him jobbing a fat chick) but only to my seniors and peers...never to subordinates and never to civilians.

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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Really doesnt matter. There is a general attitude of disdain that existed in his command. He is responsible for it. I believe I have said that from the beginning...no...his comments about BO werent horrible. But when your staff refers to Biden as derisively as BiteMe and calls the NSA a 'clown' (again...I dont refute the validity of the comments) then you have a general attitude that the LEADER has to be responsible for. And Im sorry...but you can say this stuff to me all you want...within the chain...but if you say this to a reporter??? NOT worthy of court martial. DEFINITELY worthy of reassignment. Reassignment would be a career ender. He just sped up the plow.
    There are no solid comments from him about BO anywhere in that story.

    And I agree with you about all the rest. However, that is not what most people argue at first, that is not what the media is presenting at first, and its not even what you said at first. It always goes back to "The things he said about Barack Obama", of which there is nothing directly attributed to him in that story. The closest is third party heresay by unnamed sources, and yet the main meme this entire time has been to focus first and foremost on McChrystals comments.

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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I read it too.

    I've still yet to figure out what the offending remark BY McChrystal is? So far the only damaging things directly attributed to him is a joking comment of wishing to answer "Who's that" in response to questions regarding his feelings towards the Vice President that seem to occur anytime he's near the press, and a statement of frustration in not wanting to read someones email in the middle of an uncomfortable diplomatic trip.

    Neither are hardly worthy of an eyebrow raise let enough the hooplah that has been raised over this.

    Does allowing Rolling Stone entrance into his inner circle speak of questionable decision making? Absolutely. Are the comments by some of those around him highly questionable? Definitely. However the main hype everyone seems to keep bringing up is accusations of over the line statements made BY McChrystal.

    I'll ask again...please name those things. An answer of "go read the piece" isn't sufficient, because I have read the piece, and remain confused. Perhaps then you could enlighten us to what you saw as so obviously egregious so that we who missed it may be shown the light.
    He didn't say anything too incriminating himself, but he did agree with others who did say some pretty bad stuff, his lack of an objection is agreement. Also, the staff says "the boss thinks this" and "the boss thinks that", so the comments and his staff pretty much represent what the general is thinking. The comments did everything but come from the general's mouth itself, but it doesn't matter, these are his appointed aides and he's responsible for what his staff does as their superior officer who appointed them and seeing as how the staff represent his office. Anything the general did not agree with should have been met with a reprimand. His lack of objection means agreement.

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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    There are no solid comments from him about BO anywhere in that story.

    And I agree with you about all the rest. However, that is not what most people argue at first, that is not what the media is presenting at first, and its not even what you said at first. It always goes back to "The things he said about Barack Obama", of which there is nothing directly attributed to him in that story. The closest is third party heresay by unnamed sources, and yet the main meme this entire time has been to focus first and foremost on McChrystals comments.
    I highly doubt you will find my message inconstent here but if it has been then I misspoke. From the outset I have said it is the preponderance of comments made about BO, Biden and the NSA chief...and most importantly the venue in which they were spoken. I have seen the comments...none from him were specifically damning. The others...sure.

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