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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Something that is primarily a media driven thing.

    I've still, to this day, yet to have anyone provide an actual damning or obviously over the line comment directly quoted to him.

    Every statement made directly by him in the magazine article were extremely light at most and completely benign for the majority of them. The only comments arguably made that he needed to "keep his mouth shut" in regards to stating were nothing but heresay reported by unnamed sources and aides to a reporter who had a definitive and obvious bias and agenda.

    His only seeming mistake in any of this was the idiocy of allowing the magazine into his inner circle in the first place and assuming it was going to take a fair and neutral position in the story rather than have an obvious agenda of searching out deterimental comments and situations from those around him.


    It is head scratching... I've asked as well for over a week.
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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You make the mistake of thinking that those of us that served and retired give a flying **** about civilian leaderships opinion of us. Disgrace? in whose eyes? Certainly not the eyes of the military. Speaking only for myself...I disagree with his actions but certainly understand the sentiment.
    I can completely understand his sentiments, but he buggered himself professionally for good.

    When I worked for a local police force, we often made scathing comments about the Mayor, and had little nicknames for the city councilmen behind closed doors in the department. Would we have been so arrogant and stupid as to make those comments in front of a member of the media? hell no. And would we have been fired if we had? Hell yes. I was interviewed almost every week on something related to my job, and somehow managed not to step on anyone's dick.

    I knew the rules, and so did McCrystal. I chalk it up to utter arrogance. He majorly stepped on his own dick, and has only himself to blame for it.
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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I can completely understand his sentiments, but he buggered himself professionally for good.

    When I worked for a local police force, we often made scathing comments about the Mayor, and had little nicknames for the city councilmen behind closed doors in the department. Would we have been so arrogant and stupid as to make those comments in front of a member of the media? hell no. And would we have been fired if we had? Hell yes. I was interviewed almost every week on something related to my job, and somehow managed not to step on anyone's dick.

    I knew the rules, and so did McCrystal. I chalk it up to utter arrogance. He majorly stepped on his own dick, and has only himself to blame for it.


    Maybe he stepped on it on purpose. Though what was the offending remark?
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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I can completely understand his sentiments, but he buggered himself professionally for good.

    When I worked for a local police force, we often made scathing comments about the Mayor, and had little nicknames for the city councilmen behind closed doors in the department. Would we have been so arrogant and stupid as to make those comments in front of a member of the media? hell no. And would we have been fired if we had? Hell yes. I was interviewed almost every week on something related to my job, and somehow managed not to step on anyone's dick.

    I knew the rules, and so did McCrystal. I chalk it up to utter arrogance. He majorly stepped on his own dick, and has only himself to blame for it.
    Ive never argued the point. As a military man i agree that he had to expect the repercussions. Im actually OK with the results.

    Problem is...this is a real no win situation for BO and his supporters.

    If McChrystal was a good and effective leader...what is it about this administration that caused he and his staff to be so dismissive of the adminsitration?

    And if as some are now saying McChrystal was a bad leader, then why on earth did BO hire him? Or keep him? If the war policy is bad, then what kind of a leader tolerates that?

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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ive never argued the point. As a military man i agree that he had to expect the repercussions. Im actually OK with the results.

    Problem is...this is a real no win situation for BO and his supporters.

    If McChrystal was a good and effective leader...what is it about this administration that caused he and his staff to be so dismissive of the adminsitration?

    And if as some are now saying McChrystal was a bad leader, then why on earth did BO hire him? Or keep him? If the war policy is bad, then what kind of a leader tolerates that?
    Yeah, I do fault Obama for putting McChrystal in charge. He did hire him, no one else did. I'm not a "Obama is always the best" kind or person, sometimes I have disagreements. He should have put Petraeus in charge from the beginning, I always wondered why he went to CENTCOM as an administrative position, maybe it was just to reward him for service. At least Obama made the good move to put Petraeus in charge now, that's not such a bad thing.

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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ive never argued the point. As a military man i agree that he had to expect the repercussions. Im actually OK with the results.

    Problem is...this is a real no win situation for BO and his supporters.

    If McChrystal was a good and effective leader...what is it about this administration that caused he and his staff to be so dismissive of the adminsitration?

    And if as some are now saying McChrystal was a bad leader, then why on earth did BO hire him? Or keep him? If the war policy is bad, then what kind of a leader tolerates that?
    Obama has always been the type who can admit his mistakes.
    He doesn't pretend to be more than human.
    If he made a mistake putting McChrystal in charge (time will tell, but no one can deny the war has been going increasingly badly, the ROE changes have been unpopular with troops on the ground, and McChrystal's Rolling Stone interview points to a bewildering lapse of judgement which may or may not have been an isolated incident), he wouldn't have a problem admitting his mistake. And rectifying it.
    His supporters wouldn't look down on him for that.

    I hope the same holds true for Afghanistan in general; if, after the Christmas review, things still seem to be going downhill, I hope Obama will admit we're on the wrong path and either change strategies or begin a pull out.
    I've heard so many people say "If we give up now, all these fallen soldiers have died for nothing."
    But if our strategy (or our entire purpose in being there) turns out to be wrong, I can't imagine the fallen soldiers would want more of their comrades to die in service of it.

    It really is beginning to seem a lot like Vietnam.

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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Maybe he stepped on it on purpose. Though what was the offending remark?
    Dude...did you read the article? You want to tell me that you'd have said that stuff in front of a reporter? Any of it? I don't have idiot written on my forehead, so don't play the disingenuous naif with me.

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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Problem is...this is a real no win situation for BO and his supporters.

    If McChrystal was a good and effective leader...what is it about this administration that caused he and his staff to be so dismissive of the adminsitration?

    And if as some are now saying McChrystal was a bad leader, then why on earth did BO hire him? Or keep him? If the war policy is bad, then what kind of a leader tolerates that?
    I think that Afghanistan and Iraq are becoming BO's tar babies. Add that to the list of Don't Ask, Don't Tell; Gitmo; other overseas prisons where people are being held without trial/access to counsel; torture; etc.

    Obama inherited a cluster, and I'm not sure he's up to the job.
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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Dude...did you read the article? You want to tell me that you'd have said that stuff in front of a reporter? Any of it? I don't have idiot written on my forehead, so don't play the disingenuous naif with me.
    I read it too.

    I've still yet to figure out what the offending remark BY McChrystal is? So far the only damaging things directly attributed to him is a joking comment of wishing to answer "Who's that" in response to questions regarding his feelings towards the Vice President that seem to occur anytime he's near the press, and a statement of frustration in not wanting to read someones email in the middle of an uncomfortable diplomatic trip.

    Neither are hardly worthy of an eyebrow raise let enough the hooplah that has been raised over this.

    Does allowing Rolling Stone entrance into his inner circle speak of questionable decision making? Absolutely. Are the comments by some of those around him highly questionable? Definitely. However the main hype everyone seems to keep bringing up is accusations of over the line statements made BY McChrystal.

    I'll ask again...please name those things. An answer of "go read the piece" isn't sufficient, because I have read the piece, and remain confused. Perhaps then you could enlighten us to what you saw as so obviously egregious so that we who missed it may be shown the light.

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    Re: Gen Stanley McChrystal to retire from US Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Maybe he stepped on it on purpose. Though what was the offending remark?
    Rev...I believe it was with a purpose. I DO think that gen McChrystal HAD to know his comments were going into an article. I grant you...what he said about BO wasnt all that bad...just that he seemed kind of lost and intimidated being in a room full of generals. Thats just an observation. But he HAS to be accountable, even for the comments of his subordinates (which were pretty insubordinate). I dont know if it warranted resigning or firing...but I dont know how they could have possibly gone forward without SOMEONE beign fired and and I doubt BO would let Jones and Biden go...unfortunately.

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