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Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

upsideguy said:
My point is not about making a new law as a good law is already on the books. Its about enforcing what already exists. If the feds started raiding home builders, landscape companies, meat packing plants, fast food restaurants and asserting this fines, the illegal worker issue would end rather quickly and much cheaper than building walls and racially profiling. Neither Republican nor Democrat really has the political will to do what is right and proper here. The outrage of the citizenry should be bi-partisan outrage. If you think one part is at fault and the other party the good guy, then you are only showing your ignorance on the issue.
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Oh no, they are BOTH bad guys.... Bush SIGNED the SPP 'treaties', along with the Mexican and Canadian leaders.

Judicial Watch

contains a library of information about the SPP, what is going to be done to make this a reality, etc... This will tell you WHY this situation is being allowed to get worse at the federal level.

This is why, myself, as a canadian, am so utterly distraught by those developments... I try to do what I can on my end, but it's all for nothing if the americans don't do their part as well... I would add on to this, but it would probably get tossed to 'conspiracy theory' zone, since not enough people are ready to accept it as fact.
 
Los Zetas has already taken over nearly the entirety of North America and have conquered large swaths of the South West United States making them no go zones for U.S. citizens. This is not some common street gang or drug cartel we're talking about here we're talking about a highly disciplined organization with a military command structure which was founded and is still controlled by a special forces unit of trained assassins armed to the teeth with unlimited funds and resources which is willing to kill anyone (and I mean anyone) who gets in their way, there is no way to secure the border other than to resort to a war footing and that means a no man's land along the border with anti-personel mines and shoot on site authorization for our border guards.
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Sooo, what parts of the United States are "off limits" because of them? Los Zetas is a dangerous drug cartel, but to equate them to all illegal immigrants with one large stroke is ridiculous. It's like saying no one should go to the middle east because all middle easterners are terrorists.

The Mexican Drug war is pretty terrifying, but we are already assisting Mexico through the merida initiative, and this won't be the first time in history that a very organized, heavily armed South American drug cartel is taken down. Anyone remember Pablo Escobar? That guy was the 7th richest man in the world, and he still got a bullet in the head. I think we can take care of these thugs.
 
somepeoplesay said:
Sooo, what parts of the United States are "off limits" because of them? Los Zetas is a dangerous drug cartel, but to equate them to all illegal immigrants with one large stroke is ridiculous. It's like saying no one should go to the middle east because all middle easterners are terrorists.

The Mexican Drug war is pretty terrifying, but we are already assisting Mexico through the merida initiative, and this won't be the first time in history that a very organized, heavily armed South American drug cartel is taken down. Anyone remember Pablo Escobar? That guy was the 7th richest man in the world, and he still got a bullet in the head. I think we can take care of these thugs.
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Of course they can be taken care of.... however, the feds have ZERO interest in doing that, if anything the feds are interested in exacerbating the situation so that people accept 'blanket amnesty' as the 'solution'.

Problem : Illegal immigration
Reaction : OMG FEDS take care of this for us.
Solution : Legalize illegals.
 
BmanMcfly - The money earned by illegal immigrants is an actual illegal gain, right or not?

If, so, what should we do about it?
 
What Napolitano really meant to say was, "We are never going to seal the border. Just another misspeak by an Obama party member.
 
ric27 said:
BmanMcfly - The money earned by illegal immigrants is an actual illegal gain, right or not?

If, so, what should we do about it?
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We need to hammer their asses for income taxes. Every company that is suspected of employing illegal aliens, should be audited and the money paid out should be tracked and the illegal aliens that received should get hit for the entire 36% of their tax liability, with no credits, breaks, or deductions. Wanna see illegal immigration go down? Start tracking down all that cash.
 
apdst said:
We need to hammer their asses for income taxes. Every company that is suspected of employing illegal aliens, should be audited and the money paid out should be tracked and the illegal aliens that received should get hit for the entire 36% of their tax liability, with no credits, breaks, or deductions. Wanna see illegal immigration go down? Start tracking down all that cash.
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Not bad...not bad at all! Thats one way to get their attention

Ok, what about giving an "order" to the Federal Reserve to cease making electronic transfers to Mexico??? A third of the Mexican GDP, such a cut-off would require immediate action on the part of Mexico to save their economy
 
ric27 said:
Not bad...not bad at all! Thats one way to get their attention

Ok, what about giving an "order" to the Federal Reserve to cease making electronic transfers to Mexico??? A third of the Mexican GDP, such a cut-off would require immediate action on the part of Mexico to save their economy
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I'm all for it! And searching Mexican nationals crossing back into Mexico, for large amounts of American cash.
 
Of course you'll never totally seal the border. If we took every combat unit in the entire US military, even at it's current unsustainable, rapidly bankrupting, level, and did nothing whatsoever with them but lined them up along the entire border of the US, there would be over 3,000 feet between one soldier and the next... That would mean leaving no soldiers for actual defense work, withdrawing from our commitments around the world, and continuing the almost trillion dollar a year budget anyways, but it still wouldn't really make it a whole lot tougher to get in... 3,000 feet is a long ways at night... Not to mention trying to thoroughly check all the boats, containers, trucks and passengers that come in and out every day...

If you want leaders to lie to you, vote Republican. If you want ones that live in the real world, you need to accept that sometimes they'll tell you the truth rather than what you want to hear.
 
teamosil said:
Of course you'll never totally seal the border. If we took every combat unit in the entire US military, even at it's current unsustainable, rapidly bankrupting, level, and did nothing whatsoever with them but lined them up along the entire border of the US, there would be over 3,000 feet between one soldier and the next... That would mean leaving no soldiers for actual defense work, withdrawing from our commitments around the world, and continuing the almost trillion dollar a year budget anyways, but it still wouldn't really make it a whole lot tougher to get in... 3,000 feet is a long ways at night... Not to mention trying to thoroughly check all the boats, containers, trucks and passengers that come in and out every day...

If you want leaders to lie to you, vote Republican. If you want ones that live in the real world, you need to accept that sometimes they'll tell you the truth rather than what you want to hear.
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The ones you seem to be backing would meld America with Mexico and erase the border, leaving us without a country anymore. So I say, wake up man. A country without borders is not a country at all. China built a 5000 mile wall, we can too.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
The ones you seem to be backing would meld America with Mexico and erase the border, leaving us without a country anymore. So I say, wake up man. A country without borders is not a country at all. China built a 5000 mile wall, we can too.
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You can defeat a $10 billion wall with a $10 ladder. It's just a political placebo. Politicians support it because it makes the voters think they're doing something about illegal immigration, but they know it's pointless.
 
teamosil said:
You can defeat a $10 billion wall with a $10 ladder. It's just a political placebo. Politicians support it because it makes the voters think they're doing something about illegal immigration, but they know it's pointless.
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Not if every inch of that wall is covered by lethal weapons. Hose down a few illegals and the crossing attempts will decrease dramatically.
 
apdst said:
Not if every inch of that wall is covered by lethal weapons. Hose down a few illegals and the crossing attempts will decrease dramatically.
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Ah some conservatives answer to everything. Kill people and it will solve the problem...
 
apdst said:
Not if every inch of that wall is covered by lethal weapons. Hose down a few illegals and the crossing attempts will decrease dramatically.
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Well, then you're just back to my previous post:

teamosil said:
If we took every combat unit in the entire US military, even at it's current unsustainable, rapidly bankrupting, level, and did nothing whatsoever with them but lined them up along the entire border of the US, there would be over 3,000 feet between one soldier and the next... That would mean leaving no soldiers for actual defense work, withdrawing from our commitments around the world, and continuing the almost trillion dollar a year budget anyways, but it still wouldn't really make it a whole lot tougher to get in... 3,000 feet is a long ways at night... Not to mention trying to thoroughly check all the boats, containers, trucks and passengers that come in and out every day...
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somepeoplesay said:
Sooo, what parts of the United States are "off limits" because of them?
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The Sonoran Desert National Monument.

Los Zetas is a dangerous drug cartel, but to equate them to all illegal immigrants with one large stroke is ridiculous. It's like saying no one should go to the middle east because all middle easterners are terrorists.
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The only way to stop Los Zetas from threatening the security of the U.S. is to seal the border.

The Mexican Drug war is pretty terrifying, but we are already assisting Mexico through the merida initiative, and this won't be the first time in history that a very organized, heavily armed South American drug cartel is taken down. Anyone remember Pablo Escobar? That guy was the 7th richest man in the world, and he still got a bullet in the head. I think we can take care of these thugs.
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These guys make Escobar look like a *****.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Ah some conservatives answer to everything. Kill people and it will solve the problem...
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The threat of death serves a great deterant. How many illegals are sneaking into Arizona, now-a-days? And they're only worried about getting arrested.
 
teamosil said:
Of course you'll never totally seal the border. If we took every combat unit in the entire US military, even at it's current unsustainable, rapidly bankrupting, level, and did nothing whatsoever with them but lined them up along the entire border of the US, there would be over 3,000 feet between one soldier and the next... That would mean leaving no soldiers for actual defense work, withdrawing from our commitments around the world, and continuing the almost trillion dollar a year budget anyways, but it still wouldn't really make it a whole lot tougher to get in... 3,000 feet is a long ways at night... Not to mention trying to thoroughly check all the boats, containers, trucks and passengers that come in and out every day...

If you want leaders to lie to you, vote Republican. If you want ones that live in the real world, you need to accept that sometimes they'll tell you the truth rather than what you want to hear.
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Ya because we would line all the soldiers up shoulder to shoulder along the border. :roll:
 
apdst said:
It wouldn't take every combat unit. You're exagerating.
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I'm saying that every combat unit wouldn't even be enough... The border is enormous. And, to make matters more complex, it isn't just like empty desert. It's criss crossed with rivers, there are cities that straddle it, hundreds of thousands of people crossing legally, thousands of trucks... The container ships alone would take a substantial portion of our military to search thoroughly. I mean, with the whole military you could reduce illegal immigration substantially, but without something like a guest worker program you could never solve it. Think about Iraq. We really only have like 200 square miles of the country secured and we're being far more brutal there than we could possibly justify just for illegal immigration. And even that isn't really so secure... We're talking about 17,000 miles of border or something if you count all the way around. Even just the Mexican border is 2,000 miles long and if you somehow managed to button that up tight, which is impossible, you'd just divert people to other methods like small boats and container ships and the much larger Canadian border.

So, we're talking hundreds of billions of dollars a year. Maybe over a trillion dollars a year. And for what? To slowly begin to cut down on the $20 billion a year in social services that allegedly goes to illegal immigrants? It's like trying to solve a hangnail by cutting your arm off. A guest worker program where people would be paying taxes is a radically more practical approach.
 
teamosil said:
You can defeat a $10 billion wall with a $10 ladder. It's just a political placebo. Politicians support it because it makes the voters think they're doing something about illegal immigration, but they know it's pointless.
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Not true at all. Barriers drop the illegal rate of entry, it is a proven fact. However, maybe you can explain how it is that Mexico should be allowed to lecture us on our immigration laws, and call us a human rights violator, when their own laws are ten times harsher than ours are?

j-mac
 
apdst said:
I'm all for it! And searching Mexican nationals crossing back into Mexico, for large amounts of American cash.
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instruct the US Marshals Service to seize such mone

Also involve, the US Marshals Service to seize, the cash as it is collected by various envios de dinero here

Our government needs to find a way to seize, the enormous amounts of cash leaving the country. Cutting off the wire transfers would get some serious attention.

The US is struggling to recover and there is too much illegal cash moving out and not enough coming back in
 
Increase military funding. We have plenty of money right?
 
j-mac said:
Not true at all. Barriers drop the illegal rate of entry, it is a proven fact.
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Source please.

j-mac said:
However, maybe you can explain how it is that Mexico should be allowed to lecture us on our immigration laws, and call us a human rights violator, when their own laws are ten times harsher than ours are?
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I don't see how that is relevant to our discussion.
 
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