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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Not enough but to do more we would need to seal the border and send the troops into Mexico.
    Are we willing to wall off Canada as well to keep terrorists out? Seriously, why shouldn't we fix Mexico? We send money to places like Egypt, etc among others. Yes, Egypt! Where, the GSJ (Global Salafi Jihad) started. Their leadership is Egyptian except for Bin Laden. You can blame them more for 9-11 than the Saudis.




    Our government isn't anywhere near as corrupt as that of Mexico's. The U.S. ranks 19 on Transparency Internationals Corruption Perception Index; whereas, Mexico ranks 89, regardless I clearly said "because either they simply can't....".
    Thats a piss poor bull**** excuse. We have done this to ourselves and we keep letting it happen, dude. Blaming **** on others does squat. The fact that they continue to cross into the US in ever increasing numbers (what over 12,000,000 in the last couple of years.) Illegals know if they get here they can get lost in the system and at the same time get a permit to drive, work with very few questions asked, their little boys and girls go to school for free and now they are elligable for state aid for some of the best universities around. Illegals are given welfare, food stamps etc. WHO in the flying **** would not want to come over!! Geez, be reasonable lol

    The bottom line is we can't afford to notfix Mexico
    Really? Even German victims of the holocaust?
    Oh ****...Its too early for Godwin's law of nazi analogies. Perhaps, later on

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    “You’re never going to totally seal that border.”

    Translation: "We don't have the will to do it."
    The ghost of Jack Kevorkian for President's Physician: 2016

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Stalin had the will...

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Are we willing to wall off Canada as well to keep terrorists out? Seriously, why shouldn't we fix Mexico?
    Why are we responsible for Mexico?

    We send money to places like Egypt, etc among others.
    Mexico receives $75 million a year from the U.S. in foreign aid:

    http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/aid...Accountsum.pdf

    Yes, Egypt! Where, the GSJ (Global Salafi Jihad) started. Their leadership is Egyptian except for Bin Laden. You can blame them more for 9-11 than the Saudis.
    I take it you have never heard of Wahhabism.




    Thats a piss poor bull**** excuse. We have done this to ourselves and we keep letting it happen, dude. Blaming **** on others does squat. The fact that they continue to cross into the US in ever increasing numbers (what over 12,000,000 in the last couple of years.) Illegals know if they get here they can get lost in the system and at the same time get a permit to drive, work with very few questions asked, their little boys and girls go to school for free and now they are elligable for state aid for some of the best universities around. Illegals are given welfare, food stamps etc. WHO in the flying **** would not want to come over!! Geez, be reasonable lol

    The bottom line is we can't afford to notfix Mexico
    A) How have we done this to ourselves?

    B) Why is it our repsonsibility to "fix" Mexico?

    Oh ****...Its too early for Godwin's law of nazi analogies. Perhaps, later on
    So the victims of Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot et al deserve their governments? Oh and FYI Godwin only applies when making an analogy to the actions of Hitler or Nazi's, I was not making an ananolgy I was offering an example of people not deserving the government which they got.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Stalin had the will...
    Stalin kept people in.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Until you read this and realize that this is a world issue, you will be ignored.

    Immigration ? Global Issues

    This is a global issue and until Western economies realize this, you will be ignored.


    Don't be so immature.

    Come on you economic Mr. Wizard you, who is obviously steeped in immense knowledge of the intricacies of international trade, foreign investment, and the outsourcing of labour, explain to we the little people who only have brains of relatively nominal sizes, just how exactly would ending the outsourcing of labour in the U.S. increase wages in Mexico?

    I mean I know that since you are so smart and mature and I am so dumb and juvenile, there must be something that I'm missing, especially considering the fact that there seems to be no causal relationship between the outsourcing of labour and the lowering of wages in the host country and in fact all data would suggest to the contrary that the outsourcing of labour has a positive relationship with wages in the host country.

    But the data must be wrong and I'm just not thinking globally enough, and again because you are obviously so smart and I am obviously so dumb this simply can't be the case, I mean it's not as if American firms in Mexico pay more than Mexican firms in Mexico or that jobs in U.S. firms are in high demand overseas or anything. Oh wait they do and they are.

    Until you learn the definition of the word corporatism and stop posting articles which have nothing to do with the original points you made and actually proves my first ****ing point in the first ****ing chart, you will be ignored.
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    they don't have to completely seal the border, they just have to reduce the amount of illegal immigration to the point where the INS can deal with it and it doesn't completely overwhelm the domestic job market.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Are we willing to wall off Canada as well to keep terrorists out?
    I can assure you that there aren't that many canadiens that even WANT to live in the US, beyond specific opportunities, and that of those canadiens crossing the border, it's done probably 90+% done legitimately and through the proper channels.

    Hell, Canada probably has to worry more about illegal entry, because the drinking age is lower here...

    Not to mention, walling off the mountains and lakes that seperate the two... and that the border to the north is at least twice as long.

    Seriously, why shouldn't we fix Mexico?
    I'd say cause the US is pretty much bankrupt as is.

    We send money to places like Egypt, etc among others. Yes, Egypt! Where, the GSJ (Global Salafi Jihad) started. Their leadership is Egyptian except for Bin Laden. You can blame them more for 9-11 than the Saudis.
    Ya, we should stop funding them too.
    Thats a piss poor bull**** excuse. We have done this to ourselves and we keep letting it happen, dude. Blaming **** on others does squat. The fact that they continue to cross into the US in ever increasing numbers (what over 12,000,000 in the last couple of years.) Illegals know if they get here they can get lost in the system and at the same time get a permit to drive, work with very few questions asked, their little boys and girls go to school for free and now they are elligable for state aid for some of the best universities around. Illegals are given welfare, food stamps etc. WHO in the flying **** would not want to come over!! Geez, be reasonable lol

    The bottom line is we can't afford to notfix Mexico
    No, the bottom line is that we let the illegals know that they can't stay here illegally, then those illegals that had a taste of freedom will fight for it in Mexico... if they take the country back then at least it won't be a failed state, and if not, then well... at least we won't have to worry about them anymore. That's harsh, but really... if we don't allow them to fix themselves then they will drag us down to their level.

    Oh ****...Its too early for Godwin's law of nazi analogies. Perhaps, later on
    Seriously... Mecha, La Raza, and La reconquista groups, they are essentially calling for the acting out of the plan of san diego. If you've never heard of it I wouldn't be surprised... but it's basically the plan to take back 'mexico'... as in something like the greater part of the area between Texas and California. And to kill all white men over the age of 16.... the weapon of choice for that slaughter being the machete... now, if you heard about that movie coming out called 'machete'.

    You can search youtube, for the mexican student rallies and all that... so you really honestly don't have to take my word for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    You don't freaking know me. What the ****?!?

    The problem is that we promise to be the land of opportunity but deny it way too readily to those who seek it.

    To me, one of the easiest ways to fix the problem is to spread our beliefs on good pay for good work around the world so our jobs stop fleeing to places like Mexico where a factor worker gets paid less than a restaurant worker here.

    Seriously, when a factory worker in Mexico is getting paid $3/hour, but the same person could be a line cook here for $7.50/hour - what the **** would you do?
    If they are illegal aliens, they most likely won't get minimum wage either.

    It's pure and simple economics. We're spreading our corporatism; but we're not spreading our message for respect for the worker. Crap, we're trying to tear down the respect for the worker in this nation.
    Good hard working men and women fought long and hard for a fair pay and decent hours and standards for working conditions... we've squandered that by allowing these companies to move offshore, or hire slave labour.

    The solution a lot of people who want to build walls and shoot women and children here want to propose is to turn our nation into another Mexico. If we lower our worker conditions to the level of theirs, sure, they'll stop coming. That's a good solution.
    Really?!?!? The founding fathers fought and died to provide this country with the milk and honey, and a system of government that was powerful enough to be effective enough, but not so powerful that it got away from it's people and infringed on their freedom.

    Now, because some cesspit of corruption south of us can't support the weight of it's own corruption and WE HAVE TO GIVE UP OUR standard of living?!?!?!

    What kind of drugged out hippie view of the world is that??? No, seriously... that's like trying to guilt americans into feeling bad that we've allowed the people to come to our country that acted as the steam valve so the mexican people's energy is on 'escape' from the conditions, rather then to FIGHT to IMPROVE their conditions.

    IT IS OUR FAULT that Mexico is now a failed state, and in order to REMEDY this situation we need to send all the illegal aliens (70+% are from mexico, and most of the 30% are people that came legaly but overstayed). By forcing them to undergo the proper route to citizenship, they will realize that it's not easy to get in legally and their energy will eventually get redirected towards their corrupt government. It's called TOUGH LOVE, they'll appreciate it.

    In the meantime however, we have an invasion of lawless individuals that have invaded the country with the intention of selling drugs and killing anyone that tries to stop them.... if they were millitary trained, coming in up to 1000 / day, we'd call it an army. If they wore turbins we'd be talking about where to setup the new parking lot.... THIS IS a real JUST WAR... we are justified with sending the army in to clear out the areas most affected... take the line of tanks that took the only Iraqi road and have them do a long patrol of the southern border. That's at least a legitimate excuse, wars aren't supposed to be on the other half of the planet to secure resources, it's meant to be when some tribe comes and tries to take your women and children as slaves, the men are supposed to get up and stop that from happening.

    People don't care about that though, people just care that there's the game on, some beer, and some sex...

    The mexicans have lost the wars that laid the claim on the land.... it's been long decided, but now it seems they want it back. This is one of those times where we should all be saying 'try me'. And I'm not one that calls for wars lightly, the fact of the matter if you think it's all women and children, you're at the least deluding yourself... not only is it false, but if the mother is teaching her son how they are illegals in their own stolen land, that boy grows up to take on the fight, and his already within the gates.

    I can rant on this one for a long time.
    Last edited by BmanMcfly; 06-30-10 at 02:48 AM. Reason: added tough love

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Are we willing to wall off Canada as well to keep terrorists out? Seriously, why shouldn't we fix Mexico?
    Because pissing money down an infinitely deep hole is a dumb thing to do with our money.

    We owe Mexico exactly ...umm...nothing.

    Well, that's not true, we owe Mexico roughly thirty million Mexicans and we'd like to repay that debt as soon as possible.

    There's a small need to deal with the Canadian border issue. But since Canada isn't a third world country, the proportion of illegal invaders from the North is minimal. Mexico is the real problem, and we should allow our attention to be directed elsewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    We send money to places like Egypt, etc among others.
    Pretty stupid thing for the socialists to be doing with borrowed money, it should stop immediately. If they weren't irresponsible, it wouldn't have started in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The bottom line is we can't afford to notfix Mexico
    Oh, hell, it's much much cheaper to plant land mines along our side of the electrified fence that's guarded with armed Predator Drone patrols backed up with US Army Air Calvary divisions that it is to waste money fixing a nation that has the resources to fix itself, but won't.

    What we can't afford to be is the Easy Mark of the World.

    We can't even afford to look like we're the EMW.

    That's really a role France is best suited for.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    “You’re never going to totally seal that border.”

    Translation: "We don't have the will to do it."
    This is basically what it comes down to. Is the U.S. prepared to invest the resources into building a wall that huge and maintaining it?

    Your government should've thought twice before creating and signing NAFTA. It started this. We thought that it was a good idea to increase trade liberalization of all goods non-human, while trying to restrict human mobility. This is what neo-liberals don't seem to understand: you can't liberalize trade while shutting out the people. They will also want to move to where the money is going.

    The influx in illegal immigration is the child of decades of economic myopia. People compare illegal Mexicans to immigrants who come from other nations abroad and say, "Those people land here legally, why can't the Mexicans?" The answer is that they are two different kinds of immigrants and it has nothing to do with their legal status. Mexico is part of NAFTA and thus is victim to all of its inequities. American business, including factories, shove their way into Mexico and drain all the local economy, shutting down traditional businesses, and draw the workers in, paying them next to nothing; then when the tide shifts, they close up shop and move elsewhere, maybe to China. Where do all those people go then? They flee to the border with the hopes of making some American green.

    I really wish people would do more research about neo-liberalism, NAFTA, and trade inequities between Mexico, Canada, and the U.S. It would reveal a lot.

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