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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you had a leaky faucet would you close it as best you can so that only a little water gets through or do you let the water faucet run at full blast?
    Neither you, nor Texmaster get my point.

    I'm saying that what Napolitano said is only honest. The wall isn't going to completely solve the problem.

    Do it. Fine.

    But, if you don't go further, you're really not doing a damn thing. You're cutting it down, and that's fine. But people are acting like if we don't get that wall up, we're supporting it.

    That's not the case.

    Why can't anyone - ANYONE - get to the actual root of the issue, instead of focusing on the surface issues?

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Neither you, nor Texmaster get my point.

    I'm saying that what Napolitano said is only honest. The wall isn't going to completely solve the problem.

    Do it. Fine.

    But, if you don't go further, you're really not doing a damn thing. You're cutting it down, and that's fine. But people are acting like if we don't get that wall up, we're supporting it.

    That's not the case.

    Why can't anyone - ANYONE - get to the actual root of the issue, instead of focusing on the surface issues?
    I never claimed the wall or sealing the border is the only solution nor do I think anyone else who is against illegal immigration claimed the wall and or sealing the border is the only solution. When we see a pro-illegal saying we can't totally seal the border we see it as code for we are not going to try to do anything about it.
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    she's right. there will always be people willing to go to any length to reach the U.S.
    Here's my idea: destroy the American economy and then no one will want to come. Oh wait, Bush already did that in 2007.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Ok, and whats our government doing about this issue?
    Not enough but to do more we would need to seal the border and send the troops into Mexico.


    Agent Ferris, I always laugh when I hear Americans criticize another government for corruption and act like ours isn't.
    Our government isn't anywhere near as corrupt as that of Mexico's. The U.S. ranks 19 on Transparency Internationals Corruption Perception Index; whereas, Mexico ranks 89, regardless I clearly said "because either they simply can't....".

    We all get exactly the government we deserve. Period
    Really? Even German victims of the holocaust?

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Neither you, nor Texmaster get my point.

    I'm saying that what Napolitano said is only honest. The wall isn't going to completely solve the problem.

    Do it. Fine.
    True... the wall alone can't fix the problem, and the US - Mexico border is many miles of desert so it also makes patrols difficult... but I mean, motion detectors that would notify people of movement in specific areas would make it alot easier to track down those that cross... or having well defined mine fields acting as a deterrent that would limit the crossing points that can be used...

    This is a SERIOUS problem, that SERIOUSLY needs to be fixed RIGHT NOW... (politically speaking "Right now" can mean anywhere from immediately to 6 months or more down the road). Cops are getting killed, farmers are being killed, hell, the cops are litterally OVERWHELMED AND BEGGING the federal government for help.

    That help IS NOT COMING!!!! SO, that leaves limited options as to how to handle this increasingly deadly situation.

    But, if you don't go further, you're really not doing a damn thing. You're cutting it down, and that's fine. But people are acting like if we don't get that wall up, we're supporting it.

    That's not the case.
    No, it's not if you 'don't put the wall up' you're supporting it... but the political INACTION on this issue is by that same virtue SUPPORTING the illegals, Obama's people WANT the border problem to get SO BAD that the people give up and tell the government "YOU MUST do something." at which time Obama will say, I'm gonna get tough on this issue and I'm gonna steamroll this immigration bill through the process... the bill will be pre-written of course, some repoublicans will sponsor it (to make it 'bipartisan') NOBODY will read it, and then it gets signed into law, when the people find out the solution to the problem : AMNESTY. Make the 'illegals' LEGAL. Done. Problem solved. Now the illegals become a voting block.

    You should look into 'la raza' and 'le reconquista', and what is REALLY GOING ON down there... These people that are invading (aside from the poor families that are just trying to escape mexico because it's pretty much a collapsed state run by thugs, the poor families really are victims in this case, but as a country the US has been far too lenient on illegal immigration for far too long, and it's essentially acted as a steam-valve to prevent the mexican people from taking back their government. Instead, they figure that by following through on "the plan of san diego" (Google that) that they will have a better life.

    Why can't anyone - ANYONE - get to the actual root of the issue, instead of focusing on the surface issues?
    The actual ROOT of the issue is that we are a beacon of freedom, and we are very generous about who we let move here to BECOME AMERICANS, that desperate people try to get in by any means necessary. Now, if those DESPERATE PEOPLE instead of trying to flee realized that their only option was to fight, then Mexico might learn first hand what freedom is all about.

    That said, I'm saddened to admit that MOST american's have FORGOTTEN why freedom is such a fragile jewel in a world most often run by tyrants, and it might not be until freedom is gone that the people realize why freedom is worth fighting for... like those red coat protesters in Thailand... so thirsty for freedom that they are litterally trying to use slingshots against sniper fire.

    Is that what you see as the ROOT of the issue?

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Is that what you see as the ROOT of the issue?
    Nah I'm guessing he blames capitalism. Care to wager?

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    True... the wall alone can't fix the problem, and the US - Mexico border is many miles of desert so it also makes patrols difficult... but I mean, motion detectors that would notify people of movement in specific areas would make it alot easier to track down those that cross... or having well defined mine fields acting as a deterrent that would limit the crossing points that can be used...

    This is a SERIOUS problem, that SERIOUSLY needs to be fixed RIGHT NOW... (politically speaking "Right now" can mean anywhere from immediately to 6 months or more down the road). Cops are getting killed, farmers are being killed, hell, the cops are litterally OVERWHELMED AND BEGGING the federal government for help.

    That help IS NOT COMING!!!! SO, that leaves limited options as to how to handle this increasingly deadly situation.
    “Man... hath by nature a power.... to preserve his property - that is, his life, liberty, and estate - against the injuries and attempts of other men.” -- John Locke 2nd Treatise of Government

    Of course then the individual will be arrested by the same State that refuses to lift a finger to fullfill one of the sole legitimate raisons d'etre they can claim for existing in the first place.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Nah I'm guessing he blames capitalism. Care to wager?
    You don't freaking know me. What the ****?!?

    The problem is that we promise to be the land of opportunity but deny it way too readily to those who seek it.

    To me, one of the easiest ways to fix the problem is to spread our beliefs on good pay for good work around the world so our jobs stop fleeing to places like Mexico where a factor worker gets paid less than a restaurant worker here.

    Seriously, when a factory worker in Mexico is getting paid $3/hour, but the same person could be a line cook here for $7.50/hour - what the **** would you do?

    It's pure and simple economics. We're spreading our corporatism; but we're not spreading our message for respect for the worker. Crap, we're trying to tear down the respect for the worker in this nation.

    The solution a lot of people who want to build walls and shoot women and children here want to propose is to turn our nation into another Mexico. If we lower our worker conditions to the level of theirs, sure, they'll stop coming. That's a good solution.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    You don't freaking know me. What the ****?!?

    The problem is that we promise to be the land of opportunity but deny it way too readily to those who seek it.
    Bull****ing****, the U.S. allows in more legal immigrants than anyother country on the planet.

    To me, one of the easiest ways to fix the problem is to spread our beliefs on good pay for good work around the world so our jobs stop fleeing to places like Mexico where a factor worker gets paid less than a restaurant worker here.
    Gee how'd I guess, you blame the exploitive nature of capitalism. Oh fyi factory workers in American firms in Mexico get payed more than factory workers in Mexican firms in Mexico. Jobs in American firms in Mexico are in high demand.

    Seriously, when a factory worker in Mexico is getting paid $3/hour, but the same person could be a line cook here for $7.50/hour - what the **** would you do?

    It's pure and simple economics. We're spreading our corporatism; but we're not spreading our message for respect for the worker. Crap, we're trying to tear down the respect for the worker in this nation.
    Um so what would your solution be? Having the state step in and end the outsourcing of labour? Do you even know what the definition of corporatism actually is? Anyways how exactly would putting an end to the outsourcing of labour in the U.S. labour increase wages in Mexico?

    Don't get me wrong I actually want to end the outsourcing of labour, the best way to go about this would be to end corporatism in this country by ending state interventionism into the economy which forces corporations to outsource labour due to high taxation rates, union deals, regulatory commissions etc. etc.. But I bet your solution to ending corporatism is with more corporatist policies; such as, promoting protectionist policies? In fact I'd bet dollars to donuts that you're a huge fan of tripartism.

    The solution a lot of people who want to build walls and shoot women and children
    And by this you mean a demilatirized zone along the border to put an end to the clear and present danger to the security of the United States posed by Los Zetas. "Won't someone please think of the children," isn't a legitimate argument when hundreds of people are being murderered every day on both sides of the border and Los Zetas has conquered U.S. territory.

    here want to propose is to turn our nation into another Mexico. If we lower our worker conditions to the level of theirs, sure, they'll stop coming. That's a good solution.
    Um so the demilatirized zone in along the 38th parallel has hurt the South Korean economy and lowered South Korean living standards to those of North Korea?
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Bull****ing****, the U.S. allows in more legal immigrants than anyother country on the planet.



    Gee how'd I guess, you blame the exploitive nature of capitalism. Oh fyi factory workers in American firms in Mexico get payed more than factory workers in Mexican firms in Mexico. Jobs in American firms in Mexico are in high demand.



    Um so what would your solution be? Having the state step in and end the outsourcing of labour? Do you even know what the definition of corporatism actually is? Anyways how exactly would putting an end to the outsourcing of labour in the U.S. labour increase wages in Mexico?

    Don't get me wrong I actually want to end the outsourcing of labour, the best way to go about this would be to end corporatism in this country by ending state interventionism into the economy which forces corporations to outsource labour due to high taxation rates, union deals, regulatory commissions etc. etc.. But I bet your solution to ending corporatism is with more corporatist policies; such as, promoting protectionist policies? In fact I'd bet dollars to donuts that you're a huge fan of tripartism.



    And by this you mean a demilatirized zone along the border to put an end to the clear and present danger to the security of the United States posed by Los Zetas. "Won't someone please think of the children," isn't a legitimate argument when hundreds of people are being murderered every day on both sides of the border and Los Zetas has conquered U.S. territory.



    Um so the demilatirized zone in along the 38th parallel has hurt the South Korean economy and lowered South Korean living standards to those of North Korea?
    Until you read this and realize that this is a world issue, you will be ignored.

    Immigration ? Global Issues

    This is a global issue and until Western economies realize this, this issue will continue.

    Don't be so immature.

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