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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Honestly, if we crack down on employers, actually check IDs, and prevent illegals from getting any jobs
    It will do absolutely **** all from stopping the people who we actually need to stop from getting in this country, it will do absolutely nothing to stop Los Zetas and MS-13.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    There's really not a whole lot I can disagree with...

    I really can't believe the irony; the government is always willing to go to war with a nation because they MIGHT be able to get a WMD some years from now... and here's an ACTUAL legitimate JUST WAR and they are standing down.

    I really can't side with landmines.
    It wouldn't be random unmarked landmines it would be clearly marked landmines whose sole intent would be to dissuade them from crossing the border like the ones along the Guantanomo border or the ones in the demilatirized zone in Korea.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Should we gun down jaywalkers too? Afterall they are also guilty of a crime! I can see it now, a glorious field of sniper towers across our urban landscape gunning down any who dare cross outside the designated crosswalk.

    Illegal immigration is a serious issue and should be addressed, but we need to maintain some sense of perspective here.
    Once again this is a war, Los Zetas is murdering hundreds of ****ing people every ****ing day on both sides of the border and in addition to running the entirety of Northern Mexico has actually taken over territory from the U.S., we're not talking about a street gang here we're talking about a highly disciplined organization with a military command structure which was founded by a special forces unit of trained assassins armed to the teeth with unlimited funds and resources, there is no other way to secure the border than to resort to a war footing and that means a no man's land along the border with anti-personel mines and shoot on site authorization for our border guards. These guys make Pablo Escobar look like a pussy.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's not a leaky faucet. It's a two thousand mile border with a group of people that have a strong financial incentive to get across. Commenting that it can't be totally sealed is being realistic, not a dereliction of duty. You people really will take absolutely anything you can get wont you?

    Short of a ten foot concrete wall with barbed wire across the entire thing you're not even going to make a dent in crossings.
    I don't think that's true. A dinky fence has made quite a difference so far. And maybe a concrete wall isn't a bad idea.

    And you said, "You people really will take absolutely anything you can get wont you?"-- of course they will...and that's wise. When you're handing out water at the beach on a hot day, I'll take any amount you'll give me, if I didn't bring my own. And so would YOU...so what do you think you're saying?

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    You know what, Napolitano is right. We will never totally seal our border with Mexico. Just like we'll never totally prevent murder. Or totally wipe out illiteracy. Or totally do any number of things. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't do our best to reduce the problem in a cost effective manner.

    Focusing only on border enforcement is short sighted. Its part of the solution, but not the entire solution. As has been said by several folks we need to remove the incentives for coming here. How do we do this? Enact strong penalties for employers that hire illegals and aggressively enforce them. And remove all government benefits from illegal aliens - no welfare, no unemployment, no public schools for illegal children, no healthcare beyond immediate life saving measures, no driver's licenses. Nothing. (some of these things would require addressing Constitutional issues). With the lure of our social safety net and employment, the desire to come here illegally will diminish. Couple this with reasonable and effective border enforcement measures and we'll see a significant reduction in illegal immigration.

    No one is asking or expecting a complete 100% reduction in illegal immigration. We're expecting government to actually do something besides turn a blind eye to the problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Just because someonthing can't be done at 100% doesn't mean it shouldn't be done at all. Realistically we will never stop all illegal immigrants but we can do everything we can to get them to cross the border in a legal manner.
    After reading this entire thread, the only recourses solicited that make sense are the two above.

    Those who are advocating setting up a "no man's land" or ordering board patrol agents to shoot innocent men, women and children on sight are purely gutless! If you want that kind of action, I suggest you enlist and take up arms against the Taliban and Al Quaida in Afghanistan. The U.S. is a civilized society where immigrants have helped shape this nation. As an immigrant nation, we can't turn our backs on our moral principles just because we have an illegal immigration problem mixed with a massive drug problem with our souther boarder neighbor.

    The solution to our illegal immigration problem is very simple but it will take both nations - the U.S. and Mexico - taking the necessary measure to deter illegal board crossings.

    1. Strengthen U.S. immigration laws to include "strong penalties for employers that hire illegals and aggressively enforce them."
    2. Remove the incentives for illegal aliens to come here.
    3. Hire more board patrol agents and vigorously monitor checkpoints.
    4. Start checking IDs. Those who aren't here legally send them back!
    5. Continue working with a Mexican government that takes illegal board crossing, as well as drug smuggling seriously! The Mexican government needs to somehow be made aware that it's in it's nation's own interest to improve their economy and provide social programs that address the needs of its citizens.

    To me, #5 is the biggest issue that breads the illegal immigration problem along the U.S./Mexico boarder. Mexico needs to begin the work to provide better living conditions for their poor. Until that happens, the U.S. will always have an illegal immigration problem. But gunning down illegals in cold blood IS NOT the answer.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    she's right. there will always be people willing to go to any length to reach the U.S.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    After reading this entire thread, the only recourses solicited that make sense are the two above.

    Those who are advocating setting up a "no man's land" or ordering board patrol agents to shoot innocent men, women and children on sight are purely gutless!
    No we're saying set up a demilatirezed zone in which officers would have shoot on sight authority. This designated demilitarized zone would employ the use of anti-personal mines as well.

    If you want that kind of action, I suggest you enlist and take up arms against the Taliban and Al Quaida in Afghanistan.
    The reason why we can't finish of AQ and the Taliban is because we can't secure the Pakistani-Afghan border. It seems much more feasable to find a solution a little closer to home.

    The U.S. is a civilized society where immigrants have helped shape this nation.
    Apparently we must not be a civilized nation because of the 38th parallel.

    As an immigrant nation, we can't turn our backs on our moral principles
    Stuff it, the U.S. excepts more legal immigrants annually than any other country on the planet.

    just because we have an illegal immigration problem mixed with a massive drug problem with our souther boarder neighbor.
    I could give a **** about the drug problem, this isn't just a drug cartel Los Zetas is a paramilitary organization founded and run by an elite special forces assassination squad with unlimited funds and resources which has already conquered most of Northern Mexico and has conquered U.S. territory and is brutally murdering anyone who gets in their way on both sides of the border and has infiltrated this country from sea to shining sea by contracting to MS-13 and various other Latino gangs. Cracking down on employers isn't going to do ****.

    The solution to our illegal immigration problem is very simple but it will take both nations - the U.S. and Mexico - taking the necessary measure to deter illegal board crossings.
    The Mexican government isn't able to do anything about Los Zetas either because they simply can't or because they have been gotten to. The only way to end the threat of Los Zetas to American citizens is to seal the border like the 38th parallel.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Napolitano is an idiot. Like we don't know that. She is just another idealogue bound put political expediancy ahead of security. She is turning into another Janet Reno.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    The Mexican government isn't able to do anything about Los Zetas either because they simply can't or because they have been gotten to. The only way to end the threat of Los Zetas to American citizens is to seal the border like the 38th parallel.
    Ok, and whats our government doing about this issue?

    Agent Ferris, I always laugh when I hear Americans criticize another government for corruption and act like ours isn't.

    We all get exactly the government we deserve. Period

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    she's right. there will always be people willing to go to any length to reach the U.S.
    Well, there will always be illegal immigration, if it's like 1000 per year, and people that simply overstay their welcome, it wouldn't be NEARLY the same detriment to our economy. When you're getting into thousands per DAY, and including ARMED and DANGEROUS drug dealers thats a very different and unnecessary situation to allow to go on unheeded for as long as it has.

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