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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    NOBODY is advocating shooting down families crossing the border...
    If they refuse to be arrested, shoot them.

    It's that simple.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    they should be rounded up, arrested as they are caught, and be extradited. The army going in is ONLY suggested because there are cops being KILLED and they can no longer handle the situation on their own.
    The Invasion of the United States is a military matter, not a criminal matter, even though many aspects of it can be treated with criminal prosecutions and civil authority. Ultimately the security of the border is a military issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    They are also considered to be crimes against humanity to be used in conflict zones BECAUSE they kill indiscriminately.
    Who's use them indiscriminately?

    We'd only use them along the border. That's a well defined area.

    We'd be nice, and post signs along the border. I'm sure we'd even be willing to fund advertising on TV and radio outlets all through Mexico and Central and South America, showing women and children and coyotes and cows and javelinas getting blown up by our little surprises, just to make sure that people crossing into the US are fully aware of what's underfoot.

    Screw interantional law, the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo states that either party can fortify any portion of it's side of the border it sees fit without consultation with the other party.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    I would argue to give them the option of surrender first...
    Easy enough.

    Make the land mine scream "BOOOOM!" in Spanish 1500 milliseconds before they go off.

    Actually, I guess they could scream "BOOOOM!" in English, since "BOOOOM!" seems to be one of those "Universal Language" items.

    Coincident with placing the land mines, naturally the Congress would pass a law preventing the courts from entertaining any claims of damage to property or for personal injury to anyone blown up by these devices.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Exactly... the only downside with fences is that there are areas where private property concerns interfere.
    Welcome to the real purpose of the Eminent Domain provision of the Constitution of the United States of America. It was never intended to allow municipal and state and federal governments to seize private property and hand it off to another private party, as the Lefties on the USSC did under the Kelo vs New London decision. It was intended to allow the government the power to take land for the public good, and nothing is more publicly beneficial that stopping the Invasion of the United States by Mexico.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Thank you... and if it's women and children then they would be best done to surrender when found.
    Or, they can crawl back to Mexico, since they should be facing ten years in jail if they're found on this side of the border.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    There's really not a whole lot I can disagree with...

    I really can't believe the irony; the government is always willing to go to war with a nation because they MIGHT be able to get a WMD some years from now... and here's an ACTUAL legitimate JUST WAR and they are standing down.

    I really can't side with landmines. There has to be better ways... Though I do agree that typically border patrol is a millitary matter... I mean, in just about every other country illegal immigration is a VERY serious offence, in some cases a capital offense.

    Hadn't considered eminent domain...

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    You need to shut the border the **** down like the 38th parallel in Korea.
    Many Americans would think that would turn the US into the old USSR or N Korea besides our entire LATAM policy is set by the Mexican lobby and Cuban expat community in Miami. That won't happen

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Many Americans are stupid if they think putting up a fence to keep an Invading force OUT is the moral equivalent of North Korea or the Soviet Union.

    Keep out...a different concept from "Can't Get Out".

    I'm all for letting whoever wants to leave to go. Who needs 'em?

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Honestly, if we crack down on employers, actually check IDs, and prevent illegals from getting any jobs then we stop the reason why they come. Border security is vital and important, but so is cracking down on employers who give these people jobs. I have heard that some employers actually advocate and advertise job opportunities in Mexico and entice people to illegally come to the US to get paid below minimum wage. We need to secure the border and deal with things in the US.
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Many Americans would think that would turn the US into the old USSR or N Korea besides our entire LATAM policy is set by the Mexican lobby and Cuban expat community in Miami. That won't happen
    Surely if people can dig under,go around or go through Canada then it shouldn't matter to pro-illegals if a wall is on the border.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Surely if people can dig under,go around or go through Canada then it shouldn't matter to pro-illegals if a wall is on the border.
    A simple economic law prevails.

    Make something more expensive to do, and fewer people will want to do it.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you had a leaky faucet would you close it as best you can so that only a little water gets through or do you let the water faucet run at full blast?
    I replace the water faucet with one that works correctly.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Thank you miss Napolitano for beating up so well on that strawman. Wonderful job. You really beat the stuffing out of him.

    Now can you please address the reality of the situation where most people advocating for the wall acknowledge and understand that you can't TOTALLY seal the border but that sealing it in conjunction with other enforcement steps can significantly reduce the number of individiauls making it into the country?

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Many Americans would think that would turn the US into the old USSR or N Korea
    Except their borders were designed to keep people in.

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