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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The pressure, the WH is putting on Arizona´s governor is ruthless. The governor will not call, the state National Guard because "Arizona doesn't have any money". The governor wants the feds to pay for it, and/or send troops. She knows damn well, the feds will not send jack****

    It appears that way
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpyrlX52TwA


    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You have the right to secure your borders, but not to gun down innocent civillians who cross the border in a desperate attempt for a better life. Yeah it sucks, and it shouldn't happen, but killing is not the answer... it raises the stakes, and violence will be met with violence, and more people will die.
    Ok, give them the ROE fire only if fired on. The areas of arizona are not closed off to AMERICANS because of a bunch of kids running around... we're talking about DRUG and HUMAN traffickers. Guys with GUNS selling COKE in these parks.

    Are we going to 'cede' the land back to mexico?? Yes there's the desperate people, but 1000's of people per day crossing over, let's say 400 of them are fighting age males. That turns into a battallion every month.

    They want a better life, they can :
    a - Start a revolution in their own country to depose the scumbags down there
    b - Go through the legal process of immigration

    I have NO problems with people of any race, color creed... I don't mind people visiting, I'm absolutely color blind in that sense. I DO have a problem with people that come here illegally, don't pay taxes but enjoy the services. End of Story.

    Now when you have people SHOOTING AT and KILLING americans and they are coming in 1000's per day... that's an INVASION, of ILLEGAL immigrants... frankly, by Obama NOT dealing with this complete disregard for the sovereignty of this country... I almost think that borders on TREASONOUS activity, certainly IMPEACHABLE in that he's acting negligently on the subject.

    I don't know what the answer is... but if you wanna send marines to the border to play Rambo, you better be ready for all the consequences...
    I know that there'd be consequences... BUT, wars are MEANT to be against people INVADING your country... NOT off in some distant land because you're trying to get resources.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Another example of conservatives grossly exaggerating what liberals think. Hear it often enough and you actually start to think it's true!
    Ok, then what's your PLAN to DEAL with 10000's of thousands coming into the country illegally every month??? What do you plan to do to stem the flow of drugs??? Are you ok with these drug lords using women and children as veritable human shields??

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Now, who is willing to sign up. Sign up, to kill women and children because thats what it will take to stop the leaky faucet
    I'm not saying run through gunning down all the women and children, but we're talking about lots of ARMED DRUG AND HUMAN SMUGGLERS invading the country 'justified' because there are women and children that are walking along side them???

    How many people signed up to kill women and children in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, soon to be Iran, etc.??? How many people signed up to guard opium fields in Afghanistan so that 'taliban doesn't get the profits' (forgetting that it was the TALIBAN that ended poppy production in 2001)??

    Now, in that sense I'm ignorant somewhat, I was under the impression that you signed up to serve, not necessarily to choose your tasks??

    That said, if I didn't know that I would end up in Iraq or Afghanistan or Iran I would actually sign up to get that border into check.

    Now... since we all seem to agree that the feds aren't going to do anything about this aside from amnesty (or some amnesty light, since I apparently grossly exaggerate what's wanted), why doesn't he SHERIFF's in these affected country round up the millitia's and say listen "you guys are my deputees while we clean out the scum from this park and send the mexicans back to mexico, whether they like it or not." They are still allowed to do that, right?

    When does it end??
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I said, go wipe out the cartels with helicopters and troops if that's what you wanna do buddy.

    But we do not have to kill Woman and Children in t he process.
    Brilliant military strategy, allow the enemy to continue to infiltrate behind your ranks while you're busy targeting goats with helicopters in the ****ing desert. You need to shut the border the **** down like the 38th parallel in Korea.
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You have the right to secure your borders, but not to gun down innocent civillians who cross the border in a desperate attempt for a better life. Yeah it sucks, and it shouldn't happen, but killing is not the answer... it raises the stakes, and violence will be met with violence, and more people will die.

    I don't know what the answer is... but if you wanna send marines to the border to play Rambo, you better be ready for all the consequences...
    If they're crossing the borders illegally, then they're not innocent and its pefectly ok to perforate them.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Brilliant military strategy, allow the enemy to continue to infiltrate behind your ranks while you're busy targeting goats with helicopters in the ****ing desert.
    LOL... I wasn't thinking helicopters as much as say 100-150 tanks and maybe 2-3000 soldiers should cut it, and if the resistance heats up to where it can't be handled, then we will know to call it what it is : a HOT invasion of the country.

    I've been left with the impression overall that most soldiers will avoid shooting women and children if it can be avoided either way.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    If they're crossing the borders illegally, then they're not innocent and its pefectly ok to perforate them.
    You don't have to shoot them, but go in armed, so if they DO start shooting, you can still send them back.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    LOL... I wasn't thinking helicopters as much as say 100-150 tanks and maybe 2-3000 soldiers should cut it, and if the resistance heats up to where it can't be handled, then we will know to call it what it is : a HOT invasion of the country.

    I've been left with the impression overall that most soldiers will avoid shooting women and children if it can be avoided either way.
    We need to seal the border first like the demilitarized zone in Korea, I could care less what they do in northern Mexico just so long as the **** isn't spilling over into the States. Let the Mexicans handle Mexico, in case of breaches of the demilitarized zone they could authorize punitive strikes within Mexico.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    If they're crossing the borders illegally, then they're not innocent and its pefectly ok to perforate them.
    Should we gun down jaywalkers too? Afterall they are also guilty of a crime! I can see it now, a glorious field of sniper towers across our urban landscape gunning down any who dare cross outside the designated crosswalk.

    Illegal immigration is a serious issue and should be addressed, but we need to maintain some sense of perspective here.
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    You don't have to shoot them, but go in armed, so if they DO start shooting, you can still send them back.
    Land mines were developed specifically to provide unmonitored wide-area perimeter defense.

    Mine fields are extremely effective at curbing transgression.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Should we gun down jaywalkers too?
    If the street marks the US-Mexico border, then sure, blast away.

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Illegal immigration is a serious issue
    Yes, and the first step is interdiction of all unauthorized border crossings by the most effective means possible.

    That means fences to mark the boundary, bullets and explosives to train the enemy that business is now serious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    and should be addressed, but we need to maintain some sense of perspective here.
    My perspective is that my country is being over run by enemy aliens to the detriment of my children's future.

    I joined the military to protect this nation.

    That means I'm not averse to killing the enemy.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Should we gun down jaywalkers too? Afterall they are also guilty of a crime! I can see it now, a glorious field of sniper towers across our urban landscape gunning down any who dare cross outside the designated crosswalk.
    No, we shouldn't gun down citizens for minor lawbreaking... this isn't hippie land over here... that's why we HAVE a millitary, it's to DEFEND the homeland, not invade a country for a single fugitive when you wouldn't supply the evidence of his guilt as condition for extradition.

    We're not talking about a string of mothers and children... of course there are families and what not, but among them are DRUG DEALERS that are KILLING PEOPLE on OUR side of the border. Up to 80 miles in, sure I could see confusion of a border crossing with a few miles or something, but we this is a clear invasion of US territory.

    NOBODY is advocating shooting down families crossing the border... they should be rounded up, arrested as they are caught, and be extradited. The army going in is ONLY suggested because there are cops being KILLED and they can no longer handle the situation on their own.

    Illegal immigration is a serious issue and should be addressed, but we need to maintain some sense of perspective here.
    Here's my perspective : Just war theory says that you are JUSTIFIED in DECLARING war when there is a clear invasion of your terrirtories and your direct interests (embargoes on trade routes, etc) and even then only after a vote in the house and congress... the 10th ammendment would also allow arizona to cede from the union and handle this breach in it's own way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Land mines were developed specifically to provide unmonitored wide-area perimeter defense.

    Mine fields are extremely effective at curbing transgression.
    They are also considered to be crimes against humanity to be used in conflict zones BECAUSE they kill indiscriminately.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    If the street marks the US-Mexico border, then sure, blast away.
    I would argue to give them the option of surrender first...

    Yes, and the first step is interdiction of all unauthorized border crossings by the most effective means possible.

    That means fences to mark the boundary, bullets and explosives to train the enemy that business is now serious.
    Exactly... the only downside with fences is that there are areas where private property concerns interfere.


    My perspective is that my country is being over run by enemy aliens to the detriment of my children's future.

    I joined the military to protect this nation.

    That means I'm not averse to killing the enemy.
    Thank you... and if it's women and children then they would be best done to surrender when found.

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