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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Just because someonthing can't be done at 100% doesn't mean it shouldn't be done at all. Realistically we will never stop all illegal immigrants but we can do everything we can to get them to cross the border in a legal manner.
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Deadly force from a deadly threat sure...
    So again using your logic the entire population of Mexico could cross the border tomorrow and we would only be left with non-lethal means to secure the border. Try again, any nation state has the right to execute the use of deadly force against anyone attempting to cross their border without permission regardless of if they are armed or pose a direct threat, exceptions would include refugees forced to flee due to conflict but that is not the case in this situation. "Trespassers shot on sight."

    Are you seriously advocating the shooting of woman and children trying to cross the border?
    I'm seriously advocating setting a no-man's land along the border, in which the use of deadly force is authorized to be used at the officer's discretion and in which anti-personal mines would be laid.
    Last edited by Agent Ferris; 06-28-10 at 11:21 PM.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You do not have to kill women and children to stop illegal immigration. All you have to do is secure the border, crack down on those who aid illegals and severely punish those who aid illegals, allow police to verify the legal status of those they pull over for a traffic offense, deny tax payer funded benefits and services to illegals and many other things.
    Nice theory, but where is the execution on part of, the government? The responsibility for maintaining law and order??

    Check this out....Many law abiding citizens have suggested several times to activate, the unorganized militia in Arizona, but the governor won´t even look at that initiative.

    That to me is a no show since she won't do that.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    So again using your logic the entire population of Mexico could cross the border tomorrow and we would only be left with non-lethal means to secure the border. Try again, any nation state has the right to execute the use of deadly force against anyone attempting to cross their border without permission regardless of if they are armed or pose a direct threat, exceptions would include refugees forced to flee due to conflict but that is not the case in this situation. "Trespassers shot on sight."
    Were there an army of Mexican Woman and Children marching across the border at me, and I was ordered to fire... I would disobey orders.

    You're twisting my logic, of course you have the right to secure your borders, find the illegals and deport them if you must. But I simply do not see the answer being shooting everyone that starts crossing, are you honestly suggesting that everyone that crosses the border has the malicious intent of causing harm to you?

    Get Apache helicopters and destroy the cartels for all I care, if they're causin trouble, wipe em out. But I simply cannot condone shooting innocent people that just want a better life, RIGHT or WRONG.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Napolitano
    Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, whose agency is charged with securing America’s borders, told an audience in Washington, D.C., in reference to the U.S.-Mexico border, “You’re never going to totally seal that border."
    She is wrong.


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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Were there an army of Mexican Woman and Children marching across the border at me, and I was ordered to fire... I would disobey orders.

    You're twisting my logic, of course you have the right to secure your borders, find the illegals and deport them if you must. But I simply do not see the answer being shooting everyone that starts crossing, are you honestly suggesting that everyone that crosses the border has the malicious intent of causing harm to you?

    Get Apache helicopters and destroy the cartels for all I care, if they're causin trouble, wipe em out. But I simply cannot condone shooting innocent people that just want a better life, RIGHT or WRONG.
    Sorry but the revolving door deportation policy obviously doesn't work, the nation state has the right to the use of lethal force to secure its border just as the individual has the right to defend his property against trespassers. This whole "think of the children" scheme that you have worked up isn't buying any sympathy from me, because a) the use of deadly force would be used at the officers discretion, and b) the blood of any children killed would be on the hands of those who brought them across the border illegally knowing that it was risking their lives. Besides how many sane people who aren't working with the cartels are actually going to cross the border when they know that every time they do they are putting their own lives at risk. Hell the threat of lethal force alone would probably drop the immigration rate exponentially.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Sorry but the revolving door deportation policy obviously doesn't work, the nation state has the right to the use of lethal force to secure its border just as the individual has the right to defend his property against trespassers. This whole "think of the children" scheme that you have worked up isn't buying any sympathy from me, because a) the use of deadly force would be used at the officers discretion, and b) the blood of any children killed would be on the hands of those who brought them across the border illegally knowing that it was risking their lives. Besides how many sane people who aren't working with the cartels are actually going to cross the border when they know that every time they do they are putting their own lives at risk. Hell the threat of lethal force alone would probably drop the immigration rate exponentially.
    Hey... go have fun shooting children at the Border Ferris... I would never wanna order such a thing...

    I get the illegal thing, if it was happening here I'd feel just as pissed off as you. But there has to be a better way then killing... I already admitted I didn't know what the answer was... but I'm sure it isn't killing. Call it a hunch but its not the way. We have to be better then that.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    a) the use of deadly force would be used at the officers discretion, and b).
    Indeed, if the officer involved is doing the deed then he/she should bask in the glory that is killing illegals that need killing without having to worry about going to trial.

    The officer will embrace the hate and will enjoy the press of a fine trigger...but I betcha he or she will be the first, the Feds throw under the bus

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Hey... go have fun shooting children at the Border Ferris... I would never wanna order such a thing...


    I get the illegal thing, if it was happening here I'd feel just as pissed off as you. But there has to be a better way then killing... I already admitted I didn't know what the answer was... but I'm sure it isn't killing. Call it a hunch but its not the way. We have to be better then that.
    This is a ****ing war pal, Los Zetas is murdering hundreds of ****ing people every ****ing day on both sides of the border and in addition to running nearly the entirety of Northern Mexico has actually taken over territory from the U.S. and has contracted MS-13 to infiltrate the U.S. from sea to shining sea carrying out hits on anyone who gets in their way, we're not talking about a street gang here we're talking about a highly disciplined organization with a military command structure which was founded and is still controlled by a special forces unit of trained assassins armed to the teeth with unlimited funds and resources which is willing to kill anyone (and I mean anyone) who gets in their way, there is no other way to secure the border than to resort to a war footing and that means a no man's land along the border with anti-personel mines and shoot on site authorization for our border guards. These guys make Pablo Escobar look like a pussy.
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    This is a ****ing war pal, Los Zetas is murdering hundreds of ****ing people every ****ing day on both sides of the border and and in addition to running the entirety of Northern Mexico has actually taken over territory from the U.S., we're not talking about a street gang here we're talking about a highly disciplined organization with a military command structure which was founded by a special forces unit of trained assassins armed to the teeth with unlimited funds and resource, there is no other way to secure the border than to resort to a war footing and that means a no man's land along the border with anti-personel mines and shoot on site authorization for our border guards. These guys make Pablo Escobar look like a pussy.
    I said, go wipe out the cartels with helicopters and troops if that's what you wanna do buddy.

    But we do not have to kill Woman and Children in t he process.

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