I think you have taken the bait ,hook, line and sinker when it comes to 1070 propaganda. You are mislead that it was a racial profiling bill. Yes it was modified to clarify some of the language that some thought was defined enough. Show me other than some rag paper or proillegal web site that proves that SB1070 was a racial profile bill.
Believe what you want, but the bill is far from that.
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I never saw this situation, but it would be a benefit to look at the situation TRULY objectively. These politicians really are only people... they are fallible.
Let's see if she sticks by it.Yeah, she is opposed to it. That's a huge one for me too.
I don't doubt that hispanics can make good judges, but, with her, she has declared herself as against the second amendment, which, is a big deal to alot of people.That is definitely how it was spun on the right, but I really don't think that is supported by the facts. If you read the stuff she's had to say on the topic of hispanics in the legal profession it's really clear. There are hardly any hispanics in high profile positions in the legal profession and she was constantly cheerleading for the notion that they can be good judges. The wise latina comment was basically to say "hey, there are advantages to having people on the bench that come from different backgrounds because their experiences give them a perspective that is underrepresented in the courts", which I think is a valid, and certainly not racist, point.
Ya, he's got a tough spot, even if I'm going to assume that he's trying to do the best he can to honestly find faithfully look for the illegal immigrants.Arpaio in particular. He is sheriff of 60% of the population of AZ and he has been sued MANY times for racial profiling. He has lost a ton of civil suits, costing Maricopa county somewhere around $100 million in settlements. ICE revoked his immigration enforcement powers following an investigation they did where they found rampant racial profiling. And the FBI is currently investigating him for it as well. But, the voters keep voting him in and 1070 restores and expands his immigration enforcement powers, so he's going to keep at it.
Ya... I guess could give the baby his birth certificate, but take the lot of them to the border, so when the kid is old enough he can move in legitimately.Yeah, they are being challenged on their constitutionality. The DoJ announced that they are putting the cases together. Actually, the one about kids born here to illegal immigrants is the most clearly unconstitutional. The 14th amendment explicitly says that if you're born here, you're a citizen and the states cannot deny you any priviledge or immunity of law, which a birth certificate definitely is.
Specifically, for the drug traffickers, consider; they are organized, they are determined, they are well armed, and they don't hesitate to kill. In many ways, they are an unsanctioned mexican army. Anything less then the national guard for the occupied territory is more or less suicide.There is some truth to that... The problems are related. But I think the solutions are not so related. For example, border patrol addresses both problems, but programs designed to catch illegal immigrants or drug traffickers inside the country are totally distinct. People use drug trafficking as an argument to target illegal immigrants inside the US and that doesn't really make sense.
Do you understand the criminal charge that represents against Obama???? That would be at the very least an impeacheable offense, to knowingly not do his best to defend the country... to, if this negligence of his duty was intentional and purposeful to give the enemy an advantage in a conflict, by letting them through the gates, that would be TREASON. However, that requires two witnesses.No way you believe that I'm betting you believe that a politician is always looking for an angle. Don't you really? Competing at that level politically is a cut throat game. The ones that don't use every angle at their disposal get beat out.
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But, even putting all that aside, if we were to imagine that only muslims committed terrorism and that they were readily and accurately identifiable, it still would be a TERRIBLY weak indicator of probability to blow up a plan. Just in the US we can estimate that about 100,000 muslims fly a day, so that's about 36.5 million muslims getting on flights a year. We have been averaging about 1 attempted terrorist attack on a plan every 3 years or so. So, that means that about 1 out of every 100 million times a muslim boards a plane in the US turns out to be attempting a terrorist attack... It's basically statistically irrelevant. Things like looking nervous, buying a one way ticket, no luggage, travel to watch list countries, the actual no fly list, bringing certain types of items with you, how you paid for your ticket, etc, etc, are infinitely better predicters. If somebody flags because of a combination of those factors, you should search them no matter what religion you guess they follow. If they don't raise any of those flags, you don't really statistically have any more reason to search them than the guy behind them in line.
But, whether even those far stronger predictors are actually useful is also very much in question. A lot of people argue that having any predictable patterns like that just make us easier to fool. Anybody who watches the news knows that if you want to blow up a plane, you buy a round trip ticket, pick a person who doesn't look muslim, dress like everybody else, check a bag, buy the ticket with a credit card, avoid picking a person who has been to the middle east, etc. If us regular joes know that, don't you think the terrorists do too?
For general law enforcement using racial profiling, what the studies typically find is that police don't only racially profile, they overdo it beyond what the stats could possibly support. For example (just making up numbers to clarify what I mean) say that in a particular precinct 40% more blacks per capita are convicted of stealing a car, then they study how frequently police pull somebody over on suspicion of a stolen car when it turns out to have been their own car, and they pretty consistently find that the cops are pulling black people over like that maybe 250% more often. At that point it really is completely unjustifiable. It's not just a violation of people's civil rights to treat them differently because of the color of their skin, but on top of that it is just bad, ineffective, law enforcement. If they're pulling over blacks too much that means they're not pulling over whites enough for example. They would make more legitimate arrests if they pulled over fewer blacks and more whites instead. I've actually never seen a single study that found that a police department did not racially profile at all. Out of dozens I've read, I've only seen two that found that the police did profile, but roughly in line with the actual statistics- Manhatten and some small town in Texas. At least in the case of Manhatten, just to get that point- where they are not overprofiling- took a massive program to fight racial profiling, extensive training, extensive statistical information being shared with the cops... And Manhatten is just an intrinsically less bigotry prone place because it is so diverse that people just hardly think about it any more. So, pretty much anywhere in the country, law enforcement would actually be more effective if they racially profiled less.
As a side note, the guy is out of control generally... He has arrested a handful of reporters for writing stories critical of him, he arrested a city councilman for proposing an investigation into him, he lost several civil trials for basically killing somebody with brutal treatment. For one example, he arrested a mentally handicapped person for "refusal to leave a store", he chained him up in a chair, hooded him, and left him unattended for three days. When he came back, the guy had choked to death on his own vomit... He lost a civil trial for $10 million of the county's money on that one. There are all kinds of stories like that about him, many of which have resulted in lost court cases... It drives me nuts that many on the right treat him like a hero... I get that they want a tough-on-illegal-immigration hero, but this aint the guy.
If you're willing to accept that he would have said 'I don't want to address border security until we have a comprehensive plan' WHEN he was there asking for help on the issue... at the very least is a deriliction of duty.
He wasn't asking for beaurocrats to sit on the issue for 6 months while cops as well as citizens are being killed. He wanted ACTION. But in order to have Obama take action, you needed to have the paperwork filled out 6 months before the election.
Frankly, this situation really is one where it would be legal to call a vote towards a declaration of war. Do YOU, even if you are hispanic, want illegal immigrants coming into the country and further driving down wages??