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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Set up a no-man's land along the border for just one day, boom problem solved, and it's completely within international and domestic law, a nation has the right to secure its borders. No fuss no muss.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    You send a few thousand marines to sweep and clear that park and to send anyone caught back to Mexico, caught or in body bags, and that will send a message...
    You have the right to secure your borders, but not to gun down innocent civillians who cross the border in a desperate attempt for a better life. Yeah it sucks, and it shouldn't happen, but killing is not the answer... it raises the stakes, and violence will be met with violence, and more people will die.

    I don't know what the answer is... but if you wanna send marines to the border to play Rambo, you better be ready for all the consequences...

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post

    Or am I looking at this wrong, and we should just invite them over, tell them to sign up for welfare and give them total amnesty for their courageous journey?
    Another example of conservatives grossly exaggerating what liberals think. Hear it often enough and you actually start to think it's true!
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Now, who is willing to sign up. Sign up, to kill women and children because thats what it will take to stop the leaky faucet

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's not a leaky faucet. It's a two thousand mile border with a group of people that have a strong financial incentive to get across.
    If you secure all of it then it will be hard for those with a strong financial motive to get through. If states enacted laws similar to those in Arizona and Oklahoma then there will be less incentive for people to come here illegally, If you severely punish those who hire illegals then there will be less incentive for people to come here illegally.


    Commenting that it can't be totally sealed is being realistic, not a dereliction of duty.
    Its more of an excuse to not do their job. Its the you can't completely seal the border so we are not going to try to secure it or limit traffic through it.



    You people really will take absolutely anything you can get wont you?
    You people will do any and everything you can to undermine the efforts to control the border and illegal immigration. I do not care if a adequately manning the border and putting up a fence or wall does not a 100% stop illegal immigration and drug smuggling.What I do want is the government doing everything it can to put a huge dent in the people crossing the border illegally.

    Short of a ten foot concrete wall with barbed wire across the entire thing you're not even going to make a dent in crossings.
    If they have to go through a tunnel then not that many people are getting through.
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Now, who is willing to sign up. Sign up, to kill women and children because thats what it will take to stop the leaky faucet
    You do not have to kill women and children to stop illegal immigration. All you have to do is secure the border, crack down on those who aid illegals and severely punish those who aid illegals, allow police to verify the legal status of those they pull over for a traffic offense, deny tax payer funded benefits and services to illegals and many other things.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I'm not sure this new campaign slogan "no, we can't" has quite the same ring as the old.
    To be perfectly honest " Yes we can" did not really advance us over much either.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    You know what, Napolitano is right. We will never totally seal our border with Mexico. Just like we'll never totally prevent murder. Or totally wipe out illiteracy. Or totally do any number of things. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't do our best to reduce the problem in a cost effective manner.

    Focusing only on border enforcement is short sighted. Its part of the solution, but not the entire solution. As has been said by several folks we need to remove the incentives for coming here. How do we do this? Enact strong penalties for employers that hire illegals and aggressively enforce them. And remove all government benefits from illegal aliens - no welfare, no unemployment, no public schools for illegal children, no healthcare beyond immediate life saving measures, no driver's licenses. Nothing. (some of these things would require addressing Constitutional issues). With the lure of our social safety net and employment, the desire to come here illegally will diminish. Couple this with reasonable and effective border enforcement measures and we'll see a significant reduction in illegal immigration.

    No one is asking or expecting a complete 100% reduction in illegal immigration. We're expecting government to actually do something besides turn a blind eye to the problem.
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You have the right to secure your borders, but not to gun down innocent civillians who cross the border in a desperate attempt for a better life.
    Actually any nation state has the right to secure their borders with the use of deadly force. By your logic the entire population of Mexico could decide to walk across the border and so long as they're unarmed we wouldn't be able to do a thing about it.
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Actually any nation state has the right to secure their borders with the use of deadly force. By your logic the entire population of Mexico could decide to walk across the border and so long as they're unarmed we wouldn't be able to do a thing about it.
    Deadly force from a deadly threat sure...

    Are you seriously advocating the shooting of woman and children trying to cross the border?

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