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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Ah some conservatives answer to everything. Kill people and it will solve the problem...
    The threat of death serves a great deterant. How many illegals are sneaking into Arizona, now-a-days? And they're only worried about getting arrested.
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Well, then you're just back to my previous post:
    It wouldn't take every combat unit. You're exagerating.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Of course you'll never totally seal the border. If we took every combat unit in the entire US military, even at it's current unsustainable, rapidly bankrupting, level, and did nothing whatsoever with them but lined them up along the entire border of the US, there would be over 3,000 feet between one soldier and the next... That would mean leaving no soldiers for actual defense work, withdrawing from our commitments around the world, and continuing the almost trillion dollar a year budget anyways, but it still wouldn't really make it a whole lot tougher to get in... 3,000 feet is a long ways at night... Not to mention trying to thoroughly check all the boats, containers, trucks and passengers that come in and out every day...

    If you want leaders to lie to you, vote Republican. If you want ones that live in the real world, you need to accept that sometimes they'll tell you the truth rather than what you want to hear.
    Ya because we would line all the soldiers up shoulder to shoulder along the border.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It wouldn't take every combat unit. You're exagerating.
    I'm saying that every combat unit wouldn't even be enough... The border is enormous. And, to make matters more complex, it isn't just like empty desert. It's criss crossed with rivers, there are cities that straddle it, hundreds of thousands of people crossing legally, thousands of trucks... The container ships alone would take a substantial portion of our military to search thoroughly. I mean, with the whole military you could reduce illegal immigration substantially, but without something like a guest worker program you could never solve it. Think about Iraq. We really only have like 200 square miles of the country secured and we're being far more brutal there than we could possibly justify just for illegal immigration. And even that isn't really so secure... We're talking about 17,000 miles of border or something if you count all the way around. Even just the Mexican border is 2,000 miles long and if you somehow managed to button that up tight, which is impossible, you'd just divert people to other methods like small boats and container ships and the much larger Canadian border.

    So, we're talking hundreds of billions of dollars a year. Maybe over a trillion dollars a year. And for what? To slowly begin to cut down on the $20 billion a year in social services that allegedly goes to illegal immigrants? It's like trying to solve a hangnail by cutting your arm off. A guest worker program where people would be paying taxes is a radically more practical approach.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Ya because we would line all the soldiers up shoulder to shoulder along the border.
    3,000 feet between one soldier and the next....

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    You can defeat a $10 billion wall with a $10 ladder. It's just a political placebo. Politicians support it because it makes the voters think they're doing something about illegal immigration, but they know it's pointless.

    Not true at all. Barriers drop the illegal rate of entry, it is a proven fact. However, maybe you can explain how it is that Mexico should be allowed to lecture us on our immigration laws, and call us a human rights violator, when their own laws are ten times harsher than ours are?

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm all for it! And searching Mexican nationals crossing back into Mexico, for large amounts of American cash.
    instruct the US Marshals Service to seize such mone

    Also involve, the US Marshals Service to seize, the cash as it is collected by various envios de dinero here

    Our government needs to find a way to seize, the enormous amounts of cash leaving the country. Cutting off the wire transfers would get some serious attention.

    The US is struggling to recover and there is too much illegal cash moving out and not enough coming back in

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    3,000 feet between one soldier and the next....
    That would be a brilliant and effective deployment of troops.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Increase military funding. We have plenty of money right?

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not true at all. Barriers drop the illegal rate of entry, it is a proven fact.
    Source please.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    However, maybe you can explain how it is that Mexico should be allowed to lecture us on our immigration laws, and call us a human rights violator, when their own laws are ten times harsher than ours are?
    I don't see how that is relevant to our discussion.

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