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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I blame our own government for failing to provide for the security which they are Constitutionally bound to protect and defend, and what's more they have actually become destructive of our security because they will go after people who defend their own property.
    Enlightened. Blaming our own government. Thats a step in the right direction

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Should we gun down jaywalkers too? Afterall they are also guilty of a crime! I can see it now, a glorious field of sniper towers across our urban landscape gunning down any who dare cross outside the designated crosswalk.
    Let's get those who don't yield at crosswalks either, why you are at it... :P
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Except their borders were designed to keep people in.
    Great Wall of China would be a better anology. The Great Wall was designed to keep out barbarians from the north. Not all that effective though as part or all of China was conquered by several "barbarian" groups invading from north of the wall...
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    This is basically what it comes down to. Is the U.S. prepared to invest the resources into building a wall that huge and maintaining it?

    Your government should've thought twice before creating and signing NAFTA. It started this. We thought that it was a good idea to increase trade liberalization of all goods non-human, while trying to restrict human mobility. This is what neo-liberals don't seem to understand: you can't liberalize trade while shutting out the people. They will also want to move to where the money is going.
    You are missing an important element here. The hope with NAFTA is that Mexico's economy would improve and develop with open access to American and Canadian markets. However, what they did NOT count on would be the intensification of Chinese neo-mercantilist policies that resulted in many of the jobs that would show up in Mexico actually would be set up in China instead.
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    And that's why Pres. Obama has continuously called for changing the tax codes to provide incentives for U.S. companies to bring jobs back to the U.S.
    Changing the tax codes aren't going to make a significant impact in this area. Getting tough on China's various neo-mercantilist policies will be the only way to get at them, and unfortunately, while Obama talked a tough game for a few months, when push came to shove, he let the dictators at Zhongnanhai shove him around.
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Take over Northern Mexico? Oh wait Los Zetas has already done that and they haven't seemed to notice.
    The United States already took over northern Mexico the last time Mexican forces tried entering U.S. territory. You know there was a movement to get President Polk to annex ALL of Mexico that time around. So, does the U.S. do it again? How long before the U.S. has to go into the northern part of the rump Mexican state after that? Is THAT really the long-term solution?
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The United States already took over northern Mexico the last time Mexican forces tried entering U.S. territory. You know there was a movement to get President Polk to annex ALL of Mexico that time around. So, does the U.S. do it again? How long before the U.S. has to go into the northern part of the rump Mexican state after that? Is THAT really the long-term solution?
    It was a reference to Los Zetas already conquering Northern Mexico and the Mexican Government being incapable of stopping them, oh they've conquered U.S. territory too.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Take over Northern Mexico? Oh wait Los Zetas has already done that and they haven't seemed to notice.
    Didnt know they were running the place... you saying the mexican flag is going to have a giant Z on it from now on? Did they replace the government...


    OMG THEYVE TAKEN OOOVER!!!

    Ok, but first, I´ll give you some hints

    My issue with Mexican immigrants, legal or illegal, is trying to convert the US to a Mexican culture. If they learned English, kept some Mexican customs and cooking, but became AMERICANS. Thats where everything is cool because, I wouldn't have a big problem (except the illegal bull****).
    Yes, the mexicans come to my door knocking telling me, "would you like to convert to mexican" its really annoying. They should really only have as much culture as the white protestant culture deems fit. They can cook their little tacos and beans and things but theyd better not speak spanish amongst themselves or id certainly have to post on the internet about it.

    they can keep their cooking

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Didnt know they were running the place...
    That's because you're ignorant. Los Zetas not the Mexican government runs Northern Mexico.

    you saying the mexican flag is going to have a giant Z on it from now on? Did they replace the government...

    OMG THEYVE TAKEN OOOVER!!!
    The Mexican government no longer has the capacity to exercise exclusive authority in Northern Mexico, they have lost sovereignty there. This is not some common street gang or drug kingpins we're talking about here we're talking about a highly disciplined organization with a military command structure which was founded and is still controlled by a special forces unit of trained assassins armed to the teeth with unlimited funds and resources which is willing to kill anyone (and I mean anyone) who gets in their way, there is no way to secure the border other than to resort to a war footing and that means a no man's land along the border with anti-personel mines and shoot on site authorization for our border guards. These guys make Pablo Escobar look like a pussy.
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Mexico is not our damn responsibility, if you haven't noticed we have our own ****ing problems. Furthermore; I don't blame the illegals, but they are none of my ****ing concern, I blame our own government for failing to provide for the security which they are Constitutionally bound to protect and defend, and what's more they have actually become destructive of our security because they will go after people who defend their own property.
    That might help a little, but America is one big cheeseburger to the Mexican looking for a better life. If they can't get a job, they'll take the free welfare and handouts America loves to give out - even if it's crossing the border long enough to deliver their pregnant wife across the border to get that automatic citizenship. Let's face it, we have a welfare for every occasion, for every demographic... the formerly known ACORN could explain it all to them and would probably give them Spanish printed pamphlets explaining how to get a car, apartment, food stamps etc...

    The "making Mexico better" argument is actually insightful, but that's Mexico's job, not ours. And while it sounds like world wide philanthropy gone wild, I think we've had a belly full of nation building already thank you. No good deed goes unpunished. Those we help out of poverty and oppression today get to create generations of future peoples benefiting from our money and our spilled blood to spit on us and resent our involvement. The last thing I think we need to do is more nation building.

    First step:
    1. Secure the border - not 100%, but I'll settle for 90%.
    2. Enforce I-9 and businesses from hiring
    3. Remove the anchor baby and welfare handouts
    4. Provide working visa's for existing illegals and put them to the back of the line for legal immigration. Revoke visa's where illegals do not apply for citizenship and deport them.
    5. Overhaul the INS system to make it more efficient and less expensive/time consuming for legal immigrants to apply, appeal and complete the process.
    6. Remove the lawyers from the immigration system as they're getting fat on doing a lot of nothing for years.

    That's how you fix the problem. No, politicians do not have the guts to do it as it either cuts into the slave labor market we've got here - or it alienates a future minority voting block. Which is why nothing much will happen. The end.
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