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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Well... the 'what must be done' will require states and / or / with individuals working together to tackle the problems. Since the federal government through their inaction on the issue have declared their position.
    Theres a way that would get Mexico´s attention pretty quickly without killing anyone

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    This is basically what it comes down to. Is the U.S. prepared to invest the resources into building a wall that huge and maintaining it?

    Your government should've thought twice before creating and signing NAFTA. It started this. We thought that it was a good idea to increase trade liberalization of all goods non-human, while trying to restrict human mobility. This is what neo-liberals don't seem to understand: you can't liberalize trade while shutting out the people. They will also want to move to where the money is going.

    The influx in illegal immigration is the child of decades of economic myopia. People compare illegal Mexicans to immigrants who come from other nations abroad and say, "Those people land here legally, why can't the Mexicans?" The answer is that they are two different kinds of immigrants and it has nothing to do with their legal status. Mexico is part of NAFTA and thus is victim to all of its inequities. American business, including factories, shove their way into Mexico and drain all the local economy, shutting down traditional businesses, and draw the workers in, paying them next to nothing; then when the tide shifts, they close up shop and move elsewhere, maybe to China. Where do all those people go then? They flee to the border with the hopes of making some American green.

    I really wish people would do more research about neo-liberalism, NAFTA, and trade inequities between Mexico, Canada, and the U.S. It would reveal a lot.
    What a load of ****ing bull****, American firms in Mexico pay more than Mexican firms in Mexico which is why they're in such demand, the same is true in India and China. Outsourcing doesn't hurt the Mexican worker it hurts the U.S. worker.
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Theres a way that would get Mexico´s attention pretty quickly without killing anyone
    Let's hear it...

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Let's hear it...
    Take over Northern Mexico? Oh wait Los Zetas has already done that and they haven't seemed to notice.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Just enforce the I-9 laws.... this is largely a populace issue. The politicians have very little interest in actually changing the status quo, but rather enjoy lip service (throwing the public a bone here or there.)

    The dems don't want it changed because of the voting demographic. The reps don't want it changed because business wants cheap labor. If you enforce the law and force employers to hire legals, the unemployment issue is eased and Mexicans have no reason to enter the US. Of course, business will have to pay a fair wage now, but that is what they should do.
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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    ferris, scarecrow and Mcfly -


    The way to fix the immigration problem is to make Mexico better. NAFTA helped some, but Canada benefitted even more than Mexico, so the gap widened.

    A failed nation next-door is not a good idea and from a practical perspective there's no way you can insulate yourself from all that. Politics also abhores a vacuum. If the US does not fill a power vacuum in Mexico, some other nation would be tempted to do so. The same can be said about A-stan, Iraq and possibly Pakistan (Al Qaeda) ...All 3 are on another continent and we do not ignore them...Yet, we spend on 2 truly ****holes (About $3 billion a month in A-stan and 10 billion a month in Iraq) while Mexico recieves a paltry 75 million a year lol

    We also need to see another angle...America’s huge demand for drugs and until the U.S and Canada curb their addiction problem, the kidnappings, murders, the whole bag of fun will continue...With a situation like that, one can't blame illegals for fleeing Mexico.

    How to keep Mexico from collapsing to the people destabilizing it, the drug cartels and how to stop the massive profits flowing to the drug cartels?
    Mexico is not our damn responsibility, if you haven't noticed we have our own ****ing problems. Furthermore; I don't blame the illegals, but they are none of my ****ing concern, I blame our own government for failing to provide for the security which they are Constitutionally bound to protect and defend, and what's more they have actually become destructive of our security because they will go after people who defend their own property.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Just enforce the I-9 laws.... this is largely a populace issue. The politicians have very little interest in actually changing the status quo, but rather enjoy lip service (throwing the public a bone here or there.)

    The dems don't want it changed because of the voting demographic. The reps don't want it changed because business wants cheap labor. If you enforce the law and force employers to hire legals, the unemployment issue is eased and Mexicans have no reason to enter the US. Of course, business will have to pay a fair wage now, but that is what they should do.
    Pardon my ignorance on this one, but is the I-9 a federal law??

    If so, then it's already been shown that the feds are NOT interested (regardless of the color / stripe of the president) in stopping illegal immigration...

    This was all outlined in the SPP documents... the government intends to let it get SO BAD that the people give up and accept what Obama says.

    This may be a stretch, but with the BP spill now threatening most all gulf states, and I've heard talk of a potential need for mass evacuations, but should that occur, can you imagine how many illegals would swoop in knowing that there was nobody around to stop them??

    So, while I agree with your intention, the government has shown no interest in actually diong that though.

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Let's hear it...
    Ok, but first, I´ll give you some hints

    My issue with Mexican immigrants, legal or illegal, is trying to convert the US to a Mexican culture. If they learned English, kept some Mexican customs and cooking, but became AMERICANS. Thats where everything is cool because, I wouldn't have a big problem (except the illegal bull****).

    The major problem with people coming here to work and sending the money back to Mexico. If it wasn't for US dollars propping up the Mexican economy, things might have become bad enough that they would do *something about it*.

    If I remember correctly; The 3rd major source of the Mexican economy is money sent back from the U.S.

    You take it from there, dude

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Ok, but first, I´ll give you some hints

    My issue with Mexican immigrants, legal or illegal, is trying to convert the US to a Mexican culture. If they learned English, kept some Mexican customs and cooking, but became AMERICANS. Thats where everything is cool because, I wouldn't have a big problem (except the illegal bull****).

    The major problem with people coming here to work and sending the money back to Mexico. If it wasn't for US dollars propping up the Mexican economy, things might have become bad enough that they would do *something about it*.

    If I remember correctly; The 3rd major source of the Mexican economy is money sent back from the U.S.

    You take it from there, dude
    I actually agree with this... however, this is a multi-faceted problem, and IMO that would have an impact. Except we're now at the point where drug cartels are litterally invading US territory, and the feds are doing nothing about it... if anything they areexacerbating this as much as possible.

    it really is not a bad solution, I just feel that that would have been more like a 'vaccine' to prevent the problem as it's now become rather then the 'cure' that really needs to be hammered out before this situation escalates further.

    Not sure why the aggressive response though...

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    Re: Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post

    Not sure why the aggressive response though...
    None intended and you are missing my point about the money being sent. Any ideas?

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