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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Wore you out, didn't I?

    When someone takes a position that is clearly lacking in substance, and holds to it despite plentiful evidence to the contrary, sensible people eventually get tired of beating their head against a brick wall.

    Doesn't make you right.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    When someone takes a position that is clearly lacking in substance, and holds to it despite plentiful evidence to the contrary, sensible people eventually get tired of beating their head against a brick wall.

    Doesn't make you right.
    Yes, but you forget. CC is da judge here and his gavel has landed.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Yes, but you forget. CC is da judge here and his gavel has landed.
    fortunately, CC doesn't abuse power like that

    Many boards I have been on-when you crush a mod, they ban you. A board I once was a mod on was owned by a cowardly schmuck and he got cyber-castrated by a lady poster and he then banned her. I unsubscribed immediately. Fortunately, I haven't seen that sort of abuse here



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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    King Arthur-What are you going to do-bleed on me?
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    Turtle, the Black Knight in this situation is you. Despite never advancing a single argument based on fact, nor being able to defeat a single fact-based argument of CC's, you continue to claim victory. It amazes me how intelligent people can be in such deep denial in the face of facts and argument that undermine their worldview, but I suppose it shouldn't. I mean, I understand where you're coming from, you can't give up absolute gun rights and you can't give up orginalism, so in the face of incontrovertible facts that the two are incompatible, I guess it's either denial or head asplode.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Not all episodes where people vote on something or respond to a poll is an "appeal to popularity."

    But I can see how a loser would think it is or claim that it is.
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    In this case, it would. I can see how a loser would want to have a vote on something that he's lost on, though.
    What are you, Three?

    You were wrong to dismiss the relevance and the significance of the 9th and 10th Amendments.

    Most people would likely agree with me that you are trying to use the wording of the 2nd. Amendment to deny aspects of the right (use),... simply because those aspects were not specifically written in the amendment (keep and bear).

    Show some integrity and admit someone has made a point worthy of this ****ing forum once in a while or step the **** down as a wannabe god-damned admin.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Most people would likely agree with me that you are trying to use the wording of the 2nd. Amendment to deny aspects of the right,... simply because those aspects were not specifically written in the amendment.
    Ding ding ding! We have a winner. Hard to believe as it may be, the wording of the 2nd Amendment is how we determine what the second amendment means. When you start to read things into the Constitution that aren't actually there, it's called interpretivism. Kinda like that pesky right to privacy they established in Roe v. Wade, which based on the logic you employ above, I can only assume that you support...

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Not all episodes where people vote on something or respond to a poll is an "appeal to popularity."

    But I can see how a loser would think it is or claim that it is.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Ding ding ding! We have a winner. Hard to believe as it may be, the wording of the 2nd Amendment is how we determine what the second amendment means. When you start to read things into the Constitution that aren't actually there, it's called interpretivism. Kinda like that pesky right to privacy they established in Roe v. Wade, which based on the logic you employ above, I can only assume that you support...
    Here is the text of the 9th and 10th Amendments,....

    Do explain how you reconcile the sentiments they express with what you just said;

    Amendment IX
    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    Amendment X
    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

    We are supposed to 'interpret' the Constitution.

    But after the pie is cut and powers are given the government,... EVERYTHING left over goes to "the States respectively or to the people."

    Like the Amendment says.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Here is the text of the 9th and 10th Amendments,....

    Do explain how you reconcile the sentiments they express with what you just said;
    Gladly: The Second Amendment protects a right to keep and bear arms, as discussed earlier this is a legal term of art that refers exclusively to military service, and furthermore this is tied explicitly to the militia use, it does not protect any other use. When it was incorporated against the States, on an originalist reading this carried over to protect only the right to keep and bear arms for militia use as against the states. There is no original intent for a second amendment right to absolute possession and use of guns, only for the militia use. Anything more expansive than this is interpretivism. The 9th and 10th amendments don't support your positions, quite the contrary. The Second Amendment doesn't deny the right to use guns for self-defense, hunting, etc, it just doesn't recognize it. On an originalist reading, the right to regulate these aspects of gun ownership is left to the states, and with the expansion of the commerce clause the federal government as well.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    We are supposed to 'interpret' the Constitution.
    Exactly! So I can assume you support a Constitutional right to privacy as decided in Roe v. Wade? After all, by this statement you just committed yourself to this position.

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