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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The Founders obviously and explicitly considered personal arms as a right of each citizen.
    Given their circumstances at the time, I am quite sure that they did. However, given that there are multiple schools of constitutional interpretation, the thought of the founders may or may not apply to the various forms of reasoning and views about the second amendment.

    But anyway, this is a rehash of all the arguments about the constitution that are in threads all over this forum. I see no real benefit in going over them yet again, so I am going to go ahead and bow out.

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    I think without the 2nd amendment it would be hard to protect the 1st amendment. At least it was back when they were penned. Not so much true anymore because the police/military are much to powerful for even armed civilians to confront.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    That's actually one of the reasons I am supportive of gun rights. However, and perhaps to my detriment, I have no desire to own one. So the personal practical effect if your scenerio is nil. Also, as a matter of practicality, there are many, many people who are extremely supportive of gun rights and I only have so much time and resources. I prefer to pick my battles and let those guys who care more take up the fight while I focus more on causes that I care more about.
    I have no problem with that stance, part of the right to bear is the right to choose not to. I also believe that the right to bear comes with the responsibility to protect when necessary, so people who choose not to have that luxury in their stance which I also have no problem with. I will protect anyone in trouble using my second if that ever becomes an issue, except for those who would take that right away from me by fiat, I would leave them to their own devices.

    Also, I do not think our country is doing to become a despotism any time soon, or likely in my son's lifetime. So, I am not too worried about this what-if. To be fair, I think this is because I have a different concept of what rights are than most conservatives do and I don't see most changes in laws as a threat to my person, unless they directly affect me and my every-day life. I tend to be more practical and less theoretical when it comes to rights and that sort of stuff.
    Obviously I hope you are correct, however we cannot forget that historically despotic and other tyrannical governments had a very quick ascention to power and almost always started from a complacent public. That means we all must be vigilant to protect what we enjoy as America and requires us to ask questions about any laws proposed constantly.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    What would you think of it if it were 5-4 the other way?
    I'm a liberal and I agree with this decision so....

    I think the idea that liberals are rabid anti-gun types is inaccurate.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Given their circumstances at the time, I am quite sure that they did. However, given that there are multiple schools of constitutional interpretation, the thought of the founders may or may not apply to the various forms of reasoning and views about the second amendment.

    But anyway, this is a rehash of all the arguments about the constitution that are in threads all over this forum. I see no real benefit in going over them yet again, so I am going to go ahead and bow out.
    You're right, not point in discussing what the Founders obviously said, which leaves little to interpret. Don't think they didn't know their words wouldn't be dissected by posterity.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I have no problem with that stance, part of the right to bear is the right to choose not to. I also believe that the right to bear comes with the responsibility to protect when necessary, so people who choose not to have that luxury in their stance which I also have no problem with. I will protect anyone in trouble using my second if that ever becomes an issue, except for those who would take that right away from me by fiat, I would leave them to their own devices.
    To be fair, I have never been in a position where my life was threatened by a deadly weapon. I will reserve the right to change this opinion if circumstances change.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Obviously I hope you are correct, however we cannot forget that historically despotic and other tyrannical governments had a very quick ascention to power and almost always started from a complacent public. That means we all must be vigilant to protect what we enjoy as America and requires us to ask questions about any laws proposed constantly.
    I hope I am correct too, but I see the US Government as a very robust entity, not easily changed. Especially the military, given its tradition and culture.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You're right, not point in discussing what the Founders obviously said, which leaves little to interpret. Don't think they didn't know their words wouldn't be dissected by posterity.
    One of the things that I always find interesting about conservatives in their view of the constitution is that they feel that their views are the only relevent ones. It always seems to be a matter of "this interpretation is obvious to me, so its right" without any real discussion of the merits and relevence of each type of interpretation. Its almost as if they feel their view is the default position and everything else is a blatent and obvious lie. Personally, I think its tunnel vision on the matter.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I'm a liberal and I agree with this decision so....

    I think the idea that liberals are rabid anti-gun types is inaccurate.
    Of course, not EVERY liberal is anti-gun - but in general, they are, and as a whole, the anti-gun side is populated by liberals.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    One of the things that I always find interesting about conservatives in their view of the constitution is that they feel that their views are the only relevent ones. It always seems to be a matter of "this interpretation is obvious to me, so its right" without any real discussion of the merits and relevence of each type of interpretation. Its almost as if they feel their view is the default position and everything else is a blatent and obvious lie. Personally, I think its tunnel vision on the matter.
    One of the things I always find interesting about liberals in their view of the constitution is that they feel that their views are the only relevent ones...

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    One of the things I always find interesting about liberals in their view of the constitution is that they feel that their views are the only relevent ones...
    Actually, I am quite comfortable with multiple competing views.

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