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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    There is a historical context which you are completely either oblivious to or that you are aware of an are simply omitting.

    That context (fact) is this; "The right to keep and bear arms pre-dates the Constitution itself."

    The 2nd Amendment is an expansion of the existing right that the people had when they "took up arms and used them" against the king.

    Our right to keep, bear and use arms does not come from the Constitution in the form of some lame assed 'contract.'

    The Bill of rights is a limitation on the powers and authority of the government not of the people..
    What happened before the Constitution is not relevant unless it is included... unless you are using implication and interpretation. I am not.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    What happened before the Constitution is not relevant unless it is included... unless you are using implication and interpretation. I am not.
    As each and every one of us has an equal right to read and interpret the Constitution, speak our minds, assemble and to petition the government for redress,... I believe you are incorrect in your assumption.

    The setting (context) in which the Constitution was written is completely relevant when trying to grasp the meaning of the words written.

    The Framers tried to first sell the people on the Constitution as it was first drafted and minus the "Bill of Rights."

    The message the framers received was clear.

    "Either you enumerate our rights and insure their protections,... or we are going to hang your sorry arses!"

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    As each and every one of us has an equal right to read and interpret the Constitution, speak our minds, assemble and to petition the government for redress,... I believe you are incorrect in your assumption.

    The setting (context) in which the Constitution was written is completely relevant when trying to grasp the meaning of the words written.
    So, you are saying that implication and interpretation beyond what is actually written is appicable in assessing what the Constitution allows and does not. Hmmm... interesting concept.

    The Framers tried to first sell the people on the Constitution as it was first drafted and minus the "Bill of Rights."

    The message the framers received was clear.

    "Either you enumerate our rights and insure their protections,... or we are going to hang your sorry arses!"

    (my paraphrase)
    Well, I completely reject the concept of the existence of natural rights, but that's for another thread/argument. The point you seem to be making... as are others, is that historical context... precidence if you will, implications and interpretation is applicable when dscussing what the Constitution actually allows and the rights it identifies. Am I getting this right with you?
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by captaincourtesy
    Well, I completely reject the concept of the existence of natural rights.
    So, since you reject the right to defend yourself, what do you do if someone breaks into your house and rapes your wife?? You reject the right to defend yourself, so what are you going to do, ask the guy nicely to stop? or do you defend yourself and slit the guys throat??... or did you mean something other then what you said?

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    So, you are saying that implication and interpretation beyond what is actually written is appicable in assessing what the Constitution allows and does not. Hmmm... interesting concept.



    Well, I completely reject the concept of the existence of natural rights, but that's for another thread/argument. The point you seem to be making... as are others, is that historical context... precidence if you will, implications and interpretation is applicable when dscussing what the Constitution actually allows and the rights it identifies. Am I getting this right with you?
    My bed beckons me,... but I'll leave you with this;

    Amendment IX

    "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

    It is clearly the case that you are trying to use the strict wording of the Constitution to deny rights that it does not specifically list.

    Yours is as clear a violation of the 9th Amendment as any example I have ever seen.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    So, since you reject the right to defend yourself, what do you do if someone breaks into your house and rapes your wife?? You reject the right to defend yourself, so what are you going to do, ask the guy nicely to stop? or do you defend yourself and slit the guys throat??... or did you mean something other then what you said?
    Where did I say I rejected the right to defend myself? I'll tell you where... no where, since I didn't. This particular debate is quite intricate and would throw this thread entirely off topic, so we should not get into it, here.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    My bed beckons me,... but I'll leave you with this;

    Amendment IX

    "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

    Sleep well.
    Since the 9th indenfies rights that are not mentioned and are only implied to exist, there is no wonder that it is the most confusing of all of the first 10 Amendments. Unless one can identify what rights it actually discusses, it is all surface and little substance.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    You're ignoring the part of the definition for arms which states, "To be in arms, to be in a state of hostility, or in a military life." Hostility is defined as, "The state of war between nations or states; the actions of an open enemy; aggression; attacks of an enemy. These secret enmities broke out in hostilities." Ergo, under the strictest definition the Second Amendment encompasses the actual use of said weapons, unless you're saying that no one fires any weapons during a war...

    All definitions are compliments of Webster's 1828 Dictionary since it's the closest dictionary I can find online to when the Constitution of the United States was written.
    It is a fallacy to use the oldest definition of a word to define it. Words often change meanings over time.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Civilian police officers have to go through quite a bit of training to get their machine guns, so I don't see why we would not require the same for your average citizen. In my opinion this justified by my prior position.

    Law enforcement IMO could be thought of as a well regulated malitia (meaning they are trained), so I think if a citizen wants to have the same firepower they need to have similar qualifications. If they want a non-military gun just to protect themselves I don't think we should stop them.
    civilian police officers are lousy shots for the most part. I would bet my house that the average class III machine gun owner is far more skilled in shooting than the average cop. Tell me-where does the federal government get the proper power to regulate machine guns

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    This is incorrect as the hellfire triggers and the like have been upheld in challenges by the ATF.

    The reason they are found legal is regardless of the rate of fire,... is precisely because it is still one trigger pull for each round fired. (same as for semi auto).

    Bumpfiring is completely legal.
    absolutely true just as copies of gatling guns are legal. Now if you have an electronic fired mini-gun that's a different matter



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