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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    BS-if civilian police officers have machine guns (they do) then the entity that employs them is estopped from claiming such weapons have no legitimate use for other civilians
    Then too,... we have things like this;



    What they gonna do?

    Ban rubber bands?

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Then too,... we have things like this;

    What they gonna do?

    Ban rubber bands?
    Under BATFE regulations a rubber band when used on a firearm's trigger assembly to make an untaxed machinegun is illegal. You can actually go to jail for it since it alters a single shot weapon into a full auto one that doesn't have a tax stamp.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Under BATFE regulations a rubber band when used on a firearm's trigger assembly to make an untaxed machinegun is illegal. You can actually go to jail for it since it alters a single shot weapon into a full auto one that doesn't have a tax stamp.
    This is incorrect as the hellfire triggers and the like have been upheld in challenges by the ATF.

    The reason they are found legal is regardless of the rate of fire,... is precisely because it is still one trigger pull for each round fired. (same as for semi auto).

    Bumpfiring is completely legal.
    Last edited by Chuz Life; 07-03-10 at 02:09 AM.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No, CC, you fail. The word "words" are not found in the 1st amedment, and as such, under your absurd notion, the use of words is not protected by the constitution.
    You can keep trying, Goobie, but you keep failing. Words mean nothing without definitions, they are just random inkblots. So, you can keep posting this, but I'll just keep laughing at the absurdity of it. Try to come up with a better argument... one that actually makes sense.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    This is incorrect as the hellfire triggers and the like have been upheld in challenges by the ATF.

    The reason they are found legal is regardless of the rate of fire,... it is still one trigger pull for each round fired. (same as for semi auto).

    Bumpfiring is completely legal.
    It depends upon where the rulings take place. If it's only a federal appelate court decision it only pertains to that particular section of the country until the US Supreme Court rules on it to enforce it across all states. A decision in the US 9th Circuit Court does not have any force of law in the 7th Circuit or other circuit's jurisdiction.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It is in fact part of the definition. The etymology of the word tells us just that. The Oxford English Dictionary has Bear arms to include fighting as well, the functional form of using firearms. And that was the definition of the time. It doesn't matter which version you use now, if bearing arms meant only keeping arms, then we would not have distinguished between the two cases. The phrasing of the 2nd along with the actual definition of "to bear" shows definitively that the verb "to bear" includes the functional use of the device.
    Post the links to the definitions. Everyting that I have seen says quite the opposite, that "to bear" means only "to possess and carry". It is irrelevant as to whether or not use is "implied". I am talking about what is actually said, not what one can interpret. From what I see, the actual definition is "to possess and carry"... and this is also why Goobieman's counter argument is absurd. The actual definition of speech is the one I posted, therefore it applies.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    His absurdity revolves around the idea that nothing in "keep and bear" includes the actual use of the firearm. Thus, the government may not infringe on you owning or carryng of a gun, but it may restrict, to any and every degree, the actual USE of the gun, even toi the point where it renders useless the right by prohibiting the actual use of the gun in total.

    As I said before -- absurd on its face.
    No, a logical position taking a literal view of the 2nd Amendment using precise definitions. You call it absurd because you cannot defend against it. Your dismissals without an ability to defeat the argument only demonstrate it's strength.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    It depends upon where the rulings take place. If it's only a federal appelate court decision it only pertains to that particular section of the country until the US Supreme Court rules on it to enforce it across all states. A decision in the US 9th Circuit Court does not have any force of law in the 7th Circuit or other circuit's jurisdiction.
    Bumpfire mechanisms (home made or purchased) require a seperate trigger pull for every round fired,.... And when the gun is held tightly against your shoulder (static) it can ONLY fire one round at a time (semi-auto).

    There is a letter (that comes with the HellFire) recomended to be kept with the rifle,... which states this fact to any officer stupid enough to think he can charge you for having an unauthorized full auto.
    Last edited by Chuz Life; 07-03-10 at 02:17 AM.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Bumpfire mechanisms (home made or purchased) require a trigger pull for every round fired,.... And when the gun is held tightly against your shoulder (static) it can ONLY fire one round at a time (semi-auto).

    There is a letter (that comes with the HellFire) recomended to be kept with the rifle stating this fact to any officer stupid enough to think he can charge you for having an unauthorized full auto.
    Of this I have no doubt, but like I said it all depends upon where the rulings take place at. A ruling, like the one in the 9th Circuit Court about homemade machineguns being exempt from taxation and to legally own, only applies to the jurisdiction of where the court ruled. It has no effect in other parts of the country. The case I mention is valid only in the 9th Circuit and has no effect in the 7th Circuit where I live.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, a logical position taking a literal view of the 2nd Amendment using precise definitions. You call it absurd because you cannot defend against it. Your dismissals without an ability to defeat the argument only demonstrate it's strength.
    You're ignoring the part of the definition for arms which states, "To be in arms, to be in a state of hostility, or in a military life." Hostility is defined as, "The state of war between nations or states; the actions of an open enemy; aggression; attacks of an enemy. These secret enmities broke out in hostilities." Ergo, under the strictest definition the Second Amendment encompasses the actual use of said weapons, unless you're saying that no one fires any weapons during a war...

    All definitions are compliments of Webster's 1828 Dictionary since it's the closest dictionary I can find online to when the Constitution of the United States was written.
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