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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

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    I'm sorry. I am just not as intelligent as you.
    I understand that. But still, give it some effort instead of that lame POS statement you had last time.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is your interpretation. Its not what the Constitution says. The Constitution actually says "speech".
    Not an interpretation. A dictionary definition of what speech is. "Bearing arms" is defined as "possessing or carrying weapons". Nothing about shooting them. If one is to take the Constitution definitively and absolutely literally, this is how these terms are defined.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Not an interpretation. A dictionary definition of what speech is.
    Sorry, but no. The term you want to use is not in the constution, and as such, your argument fails.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Not an interpretation. A dictionary definition of what speech is. "Bearing arms" is defined as "possessing or carrying weapons". Nothing about shooting them. If one is to take the Constitution definitively and absolutely literally, this is how these terms are defined.


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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Not an interpretation. A dictionary definition of what speech is. "Bearing arms" is defined as "possessing or carrying weapons". Nothing about shooting them. If one is to take the Constitution definitively and absolutely literally, this is how these terms are defined.
    It is in fact part of the definition. The etymology of the word tells us just that. The Oxford English Dictionary has Bear arms to include fighting as well, the functional form of using firearms. And that was the definition of the time. It doesn't matter which version you use now, if bearing arms meant only keeping arms, then we would not have distinguished between the two cases. The phrasing of the 2nd along with the actual definition of "to bear" shows definitively that the verb "to bear" includes the functional use of the device.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Not an interpretation. A dictionary definition of what speech is. "Bearing arms" is defined as "possessing or carrying weapons". Nothing about shooting them. If one is to take the Constitution definitively and absolutely literally, this is how these terms are defined.
    Is that from a modern dictionary or from one written about the time the Constitution was written? I ask because Webster's 1828 Dictionary gives the definition of to bear arms as to carry weapons of war. Therefore, under the proper definition shooting is absolutely a part of owning firearms.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Is that from a modern dictionary or from one written about the time the Constitution was written? I ask because Webster's 1828 Dictionary gives the definition of to bear arms as to carry weapons of war.
    His absurdity revolves around the idea that nothing in "keep and bear" includes the actual use of the firearm. Thus, the government may not infringe on you owning or carryng of a gun, but it may restrict, to any and every degree, the actual USE of the gun, even toi the point where it renders useless the right by prohibiting the actual use of the gun in total.

    As I said before -- absurd on its face.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, I certainly didn't. Again, you're not being careful. First off, the regulations are not on firing your weapon in general, it's about the use of a weapon when not necessary in certain circumstances. So that's not "regulating the firing of weapons". As I had mentioned early for those willing to pay attention, if you shoot someone in self-defense, you do not get in trouble for having fired your weapon. It's a certain set of circumstances which must be met, it's not just firing the weapon.

    Secondly, it says nothing towards the historical meaning of "to bear arms", which was what post 311 was all about. Pay attention if you don't want to play the part of the fool.
    Firstly, LA is right. I'm no one's fool. ANY regulation is regulation. I read post 311 and the historical definitions of bearing arms. I have also posted the dictionary definitions, which consistently indicate "possessing and carrying" and do NOT indicate firing. Further, most of your examples in post 311 use the definition in a military sense. That would exclude any private individual rights to your definition of bearing arms any way. Most of the other statements were interpretations or assumption, not definitive statements. If we are going to look at the Constitution in a completely literal sense, we must take it for what it says, not for what we think it means. Definitively, bearing arms is about "carrying and possessing". I would think that if the founders had mean using them, they would have said so. This is why the regulation of carrying and possessing should not be infringed. but regulations on usage is within the government's ability.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Sorry, but no. The term you want to use is not in the constution, and as such, your argument fails.
    No Goobie, you fail. Words have meaning. Without them, they are random inkblots on paper... and if that is your position, them I must assume that you believe the Constitution to be completely meaningless as it says nothing,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No Goobie, you fail.
    No, CC, you fail. The word "words" are not found in the 1st amedment, and as such, under your absurd notion, the use of words is not protected by the constitution.

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