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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, your analogy does not make sense, Goobie. Speech is defined as "The faculty or act of expressing or describing thoughts, feelings, or perceptions by the articulation of words." The right to fire the weapon is not mentioned in the 2nd Amendment, which is why the government can regulated where, when, how, and why you can use a gun, but cannot... or should not regulate whether you can purchase or have one. Now, if you want to interpret that's what it means, be my guest, but it is not what is actually said.
    If you are firing a weapon you are bearing arms.If you are not firing a weapon you can bear arms. The constitution makes no distinction of the two however, so according to the 2nd amendment we cannot infringe upon that right.

    A better interpretation imo would be to look at the moral principles laid down in the 2nd amendment. Security, maintaining order, and self-defense are all things that have roots within the 2nd amendment. Security is in the actual text, maintaining order obviously flows from the well regulated malitia and security, and self-defense is often attributed to owning a weapon.

    Now why can we not fire a gun in a densly populated area, because this does not flow from the 2nd amendments moral principles. You are not protecting yourself or others, maintaining an orderly and secure society, in fact you are doing the opposite.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Which is consistent with my position. The government IS regulating the the firing of weapons, and it CAN because the 2nd Amendment says nothing about firing arms. You do realize that you just contradicted everything you just said in post #311.
    No, I certainly didn't. Again, you're not being careful. First off, the regulations are not on firing your weapon in general, it's about the use of a weapon when not necessary in certain circumstances. So that's not "regulating the firing of weapons". As I had mentioned early for those willing to pay attention, if you shoot someone in self-defense, you do not get in trouble for having fired your weapon. It's a certain set of circumstances which must be met, it's not just firing the weapon.

    Secondly, it says nothing towards the historical meaning of "to bear arms", which was what post 311 was all about. Pay attention if you don't want to play the part of the fool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, I certainly didn't. Again, you're not being careful. First off, the regulations are not on firing your weapon in general, it's about the use of a weapon when not necessary in certain circumstances. So that's not "regulating the firing of weapons". As I had mentioned early for those willing to pay attention, if you shoot someone in self-defense, you do not get in trouble for having fired your weapon. It's a certain set of circumstances which must be met, it's not just firing the weapon.

    Secondly, it says nothing towards the historical meaning of "to bear arms", which was what post 311 was all about. Pay attention if you don't want to play the part of the fool.
    The Cap'n isn't anybody's fool.

    This is what happens when you apply a penumbra theory to your view of the second amendment.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    The Cap'n isn't anybody's fool.
    Well maybe he's playing the part of the independent fool. Hehhe. No, for the most part I like CC; but he was wrong on his definition of "to bear arms" and that's it. Nothing I said contradicted what I had said earlier. Nor did it stop you from being wrong in claiming that the mere firing of your gun was regulated. For it's not. Now, if there's something worthwhile you'd like to add here, please do. Otherwise, move along.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Which is consistent with my position. The government IS regulating the the firing of weapons, and it CAN because the 2nd Amendment says nothing about firing arms. You do realize that you just contradicted everything you just said in post #311.
    it is state governments that regulate how guns are used

    That is probably proper

    It is the federal government that regulates what type of weapons people can own etc and that is not legitimate. There have always been prohibitions on firing weapons under certain circumstances and that is not an infringement IMHO as long as the restrictions meet certain tests. Clearly shooting a pistol off in a courtroom or a postal office unless you are under attack or engaging in a military operation is clearly a bad thing.



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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Chicago approves new handgun restrictions :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: City Hall

    Looks like Chicago said "f- it", and passed it anyway.

    Why's that okay for Chicago, but not Arizona?

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Per the article:
    The new ordinance, which city officials called the strictest in the nation, allows adults in Chicago to buy one gun a month — 12 a year. But they must pay registration and permit fees and take five hours of training.
    According to the SCotUS, the right to arms is a fundamental right, proctected by the Constitution.

    As such, restrictions on such rights are subjected to a strict scrutiny test to determine of they violate the constitution. Under this test, the restriction is assumned to be unconstitutional until provem otherwise.

    For those that support this new law or the things included in it:
    Under the terms of strict scrunity, show that these things do not violate the constitution.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well maybe he's playing the part of the independent fool. Hehhe. No, for the most part I like CC; but he was wrong on his definition of "to bear arms" and that's it. Nothing I said contradicted what I had said earlier. Nor did it stop you from being wrong in claiming that the mere firing of your gun was regulated. For it's not. Now, if there's something worthwhile you'd like to add here, please do. Otherwise, move along.
    Ok, ok!

    But you better get your tin foil hat on.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Ok, ok!

    But you better get your tin foil hat on.
    So that's all you got. A nonsensical response trying to be smarmy and cute and failing on both accounts? That's it? Damn, well I guess when you're scrapping the bottom of the barrel that's what you get. Well have fun with your stupid replies that has nothing to do with the topic nor could be supported, even in jest, by anything which was presented in this thread. Pretty lame though.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So that's all you got. A nonsensical response trying to be smarmy and cute and failing on both accounts? That's it? Damn, well I guess when you're scrapping the bottom of the barrel that's what you get. Well have fun with your stupid replies that has nothing to do with the topic nor could be supported, even in jest, by anything which was presented in this thread. Pretty lame though.
    I'm sorry. I am just not as intelligent as you.

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