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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    He won't. It is rather obvious.
    I know. The fact that he hasnt even tried to respond illustrated a clear awareness that he doesn't have jack to back up his position.

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    The photo that convinced me that remaining disarmed was a BAD idea.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    No really. It is against the law to discharge a fire arm in most cities.
    For the same reason that it is also against the law to falsely yell fire in a theater.
    The argument he presents is that while the government cannot infringe your right to own or carry a firearm, it can completely remove your right to actually use - that is, fire - it, because the constitution doesn tmention the actual use of the weapon protecte dby the 2nd.
    This is absurd on its face because the exercise of the right necessarily involves discharging the weapon.
    Its no more sound than arguing that while the government cannot abridge your right to free speech, it can completely remove your right to use words, as the constitution says nothing about words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    For the same reason that it is also against the law to falsely yell fire in a theater.
    The argument he presents is that while the government cannot infringe your right to own or carry a firearm, it can completely remove your right to actually use - that is, fire - it, because the constitution doesn tmention the actual use of the weapon protecte dby the 2nd.
    This is absurd on its face because the exercise of the right necessarily involves discharging the weapon.
    Its no more sound than arguing that while the government cannot abridge your right to free speech, it can completely remove your right to use words, as the constitution says nothing about words.
    As much as I hate to give the wannabe fascists ideas, the COULD create some 'benefit' program where-by 'opting into the benefit' that you 'forfeit' your second amendment.... then it wouldn't be 'infringement' it would be 'agreement'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    As much as I hate to give the wannabe fascists ideas, the COULD create some 'benefit' program where-by 'opting into the benefit' that you 'forfeit' your second amendment.... then it wouldn't be 'infringement' it would be 'agreement'.
    You may voluntarily give up your rights at any time. It would be silly to do so, but then some people are so desperate for others to make thme feel safe, they will do any numberof absurd things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You may voluntarily give up your rights at any time. It would be silly to do so, but then some people are so desperate for others to make thme feel safe, they will do any numberof absurd things.
    Oh no, I meant more like what they do with the IRS... you constitutionally are not required to pay an income tax, HOWEVER, if you 'opt-in' to benefits like 'unemployment' then you enter an agreement where you become obligated to fill out a return... among other 'traps' that force people into filling returns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's against the law to recklessly discharge your fire arm in most cities.
    Which is consistent with my position. The government IS regulating the the firing of weapons, and it CAN because the 2nd Amendment says nothing about firing arms. You do realize that you just contradicted everything you just said in post #311.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    For the same reason that it is also against the law to falsely yell fire in a theater.
    The argument he presents is that while the government cannot infringe your right to own or carry a firearm, it can completely remove your right to actually use - that is, fire - it, because the constitution doesn tmention the actual use of the weapon protecte dby the 2nd.
    This is absurd on its face because the exercise of the right necessarily involves discharging the weapon.
    Its no more sound than arguing that while the government cannot abridge your right to free speech, it can completely remove your right to use words, as the constitution says nothing about words.
    No, your analogy does not make sense, Goobie. Speech is defined as "The faculty or act of expressing or describing thoughts, feelings, or perceptions by the articulation of words." The right to fire the weapon is not mentioned in the 2nd Amendment, which is why the government can regulated where, when, how, and why you can use a gun, but cannot... or should not regulate whether you can purchase or have one. Now, if you want to interpret that's what it means, be my guest, but it is not what is actually said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Which is consistent with my position. The government IS regulating the the firing of weapons, and it CAN because the 2nd Amendment says nothing about firing arms. You do realize that you just contradicted everything you just said in post #311.
    No I don't see it as that either... firing your weapon within a densely populated area 'for target practise' is not an exercise in the first amendment, it's an exercise in stupidity, much like screaming fire in a crowded theater isn't an exercise of 'free speech' it's an exercise in stupidy, both examples could easily get random and innocent people killed.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, your analogy does not make sense, Goobie. Speech is defined as "The faculty or act of expressing or describing thoughts, feelings, or perceptions by the articulation of words."
    This is your interpretation. Its not what the Constitution says. The Constitution actually says "speech".

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