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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Ah, no quotations, how convenient. Have a nice night.
    NOt needed-hundreds have been posted on this board over the years

    I am still waiting for evidence that the only protected Use (you confuse use versus ownership-obviously if you cannot own a gun prior to being in the militia you cannot serve the militia when it is mustered. If you can own a gun on the chance that you can meet the call up in the future than the possession is protected no matter what non-illegal reason you might use it for) is militia use. It is the OWNERSHIP (keep and bear) arms that is protected not how it is used. and just because Militia use was specifically mentioned by ONE individual that does not exclude other uses as being either protected or legitimate reasons to keep and bear arms



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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    NOt needed-hundreds have been posted on this board over the years

    I am still waiting for evidence that the only protected Use (you confuse use versus ownership-obviously if you cannot own a gun prior to being in the militia you cannot serve the militia when it is mustered. If you can own a gun on the chance that you can meet the call up in the future than the possession is protected no matter what non-illegal reason you might use it for) is militia use. It is the OWNERSHIP (keep and bear) arms that is protected not how it is used. and just because Militia use was specifically mentioned by ONE individual that does not exclude other uses as being either protected or legitimate reasons to keep and bear arms
    I've posted dozens of supporting quotes in this thread, which he has simply ignored or brushed off as "out of context" and "not relevant".

    I think it is becoming clear that he isn't going to allow facts to confuse his agenda.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I've posted dozens of supporting quotes in this thread, which he has simply ignored or brushed off as "out of context" and "not relevant".

    I think it is becoming clear that he isn't going to allow facts to confuse his agenda.
    It took me a few posts to see that I was dealing with a rope a dope contrarian.

    some of these newbies act as if they have some novel trick that I haven't seen in the 35 years I have been dealing with the ARC



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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Not needed-hundreds have been posted on this board over the years

    I am still waiting for evidence that the only protected Use (you confuse use versus ownership-obviously if you cannot own a gun prior to being in the militia you cannot serve the militia when it is mustered. If you can own a gun on the chance that you can meet the call up in the future than the possession is protected no matter what non-illegal reason you might use it for) is militia use. It is the OWNERSHIP (keep and bear) arms that is protected not how it is used. and just because Militia use was specifically mentioned by ONE individual that does not exclude other uses as being either protected or legitimate reasons to keep and bear arms
    Personally, I view it this way:

    This: "Ok guys, since personal weapon ownership is key to a effective militia, it shall not be infringed upon."

    And not this: "Personal weapons used in militia duty shall not be infringed upon."
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Personally, I view it this way:

    This: "Ok guys, since personal weapon ownership is key to a effective militia, it shall not be infringed upon."

    And not this: "Personal weapons used in militia duty shall not be infringed upon."
    yeah that cuts through the ARC BS.

    I also note that those who claim that the second amendment only applies to the militia never can tell us where the federal government actually was delegated the power to regulate small arms. and anyone who claims that the founders intended that the commerce clause be used regulate say a Ky Long rifle smithed in Lexington but sold in Ohio is dishonest. That was a creation of FDR's AG who told FDR that banning machine guns was a violation of the second amendment so they used an interstate tax scheme

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    What I love about this OP is how they spin this as 'good' for the right to bear arms... "they've expanded on the right". So, now you have the 'right' to jump through a series of hoops to have the 'priveledge' of owning a weapon.... different states will enact it differently.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    What I love about this OP is how they spin this as 'good' for the right to bear arms... "they've expanded on the right". So, now you have the 'right' to jump through a series of hoops to have the 'priveledge' of owning a weapon.... different states will enact it differently.
    The Supreme Court rulling will now jump start lawsuits to challenge state gun laws and its retarded hoops. You shouldve seen the amount of crap I had to go through just to get a pistol.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    The Supreme Court rulling will now jump start lawsuits to challenge state gun laws and its retarded hoops. You shouldve seen the amount of crap I had to go through just to get a pistol.
    I looked into what it would take for me to get a pistol where I live... I would :
    - Take a gun safety course, where they teach you that you must lock your gun, luck the trigger, and lock the bullets seperately.
    - Write a test
    - Get the gun ownership / possession ticket
    - Take a pistol safety course
    - Pass a test
    - Get a criminal background check
    - and get 2 special licenses to transport the weapon to and from anywhere I might take it.
    - Open carry is illegal
    - concealed carry is illegal

    So, the main reason I'd want the pistol, for home protection should someone decide to break in, I would have to unlock 3 seperate locks, load the weapon all before the person wishing me harm finds my room all under the stress of hearing the movement... I doubt many people follow the law strictly though.

    I care about your rights as much as my own, because well... if there was ever a dictator take over the US, Canada would get sucked in.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Not quite sure why you're making that distinction. Possibly I missed something a page or two ago?

    What law-abiding citizen is going to be shooting in a public place, unless it is a firing range, or unless he is being criminally assaulted?
    I would think a firing range would be considered private property.


    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The chief problem with that is that when government has the power to license a right, it becomes a privilege and the potential to raise the bar until it is almost impossible for Joe Average to obtain is a temptation to politicians that don't like armed peasants...uhm, citizens.

    Been done. Carry permits and gun permits in NYC, NY state... for a long time they made it so an average citizen almost couldn't get one at all, while the well-connected got their permits easily.
    A permit should never be required to own, keep, bear or fire arms. I think if the anti-2nd amendment loons want to mandate gun safety classes then the only way it could be done without violating the constitution would be require gun safety and proper used a required subject in highschools. That would essentially ensure that the next generation is properly trained in firearms use and safety, you do not need a functional gun to teach safety and training rounds could be used to teach firearm use.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Not quite sure why you're making that distinction. Possibly I missed something a page or two ago?

    What law-abiding citizen is going to be shooting in a public place, unless it is a firing range, or unless he is being criminally assaulted?
    Just making a distinction between a right and a privilege to show consistency with my driving=gun usage argument. Also, to demonstrate, based on the 2nd Amendment, taken literally, what the government can and cannot regulate. The government CANNOT regulate the bearing of arms. This shall not be infringed. Accordingly, from an originalist point of view, one can own/have/carry any gun they choose. However, since there is nothing in the 2nd Amendment that says anything about firing/using those arms, the government CAN regulate this. When, how, where, and why. Now, from what I know, there ARE laws that regulate this; according to the literal reading of the 2nd Amendment, this does NOT infringe on one's rights to bear arms. Only to shoot arms.
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