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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    It says somewhere in the constitution to the effect that certain amendments can not be construed to infringe upon other amendments.
    True, but only when applied against the BOR amendments, in other words if amendments 11 and on are found to be a mistake they may be stricken by amendment later on, whereas you may not amend the constitution to abridge speech, repeal the second, allow unreasonable search and seizure, etc. The fourteenth however still binds the federal protections to the states.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I kind of disagree with that, constitutional rights applied at the state and local level before the 14th. Section 1 of the 14th just made the freed slaves into US citizens so that states could not have an excuse to deny them constitutional rights.
    Correct, but as Tucker well pointed out we are at a point now where the states are testing BOR protections and now the federal is actually having to step in to correct that, much as I hate concentrated federal power the fourteenth when applied properly is actually something the fed is supposed to do.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    True, but only when applied against the BOR amendments, in other words if amendments 11 and on are found to be a mistake they may be stricken by amendment later on, whereas you may not amend the constitution to abridge speech, repeal the second, allow unreasonable search and seizure, etc. The fourteenth however still binds the federal protections to the states.

    Correct, but as Tucker well pointed out we are at a point now where the states are testing BOR protections and now the federal is actually having to step in to correct that, much as I hate concentrated federal power the fourteenth when applied properly is actually something the fed is supposed to do.
    I agree that the 14th amendment did make the bill of rights stronger. Also it helped a lot to keep the supreme court in check.

    There is much reform that should be done with all judges, including the supreme court. There is way too much conflict of interest and politics involved than their should be for equal justice to prevail.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I agree that the 14th amendment did make the bill of rights stronger. Also it helped a lot to keep the supreme court in check.

    There is much reform that should be done with all judges, including the supreme court. There is way too much conflict of interest and politics involved than their should be for equal justice to prevail.
    I don't have a problem with lifetime appointment of justices, you take the good with the bad. What I do have a problem with is that the checks on SCOTUS decisions are dependant on the SCOTUS not overturning the rewrite of a law, which is fine under an honest court, which we have mainly had in this country historically. The other thing that would be a great reform would be to make removal of justices easier, currently it would require a heinous crime to be committed against the people for a justice to be removed.....if we were serious there should be some lattitude for removing justices who routinely misinterpret or agendize the constitution they are sworn to uphold, of course that process would have to be tough.....the people should have that recourse.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    I just love how the media describes this decision in their headline....

    "Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide"


    The Justices didn't and don't 'extend' any rights laid out in the constitution, they are supposed to uphold them.


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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Who did the bill of rights apply to before the 14th amendment?
    They were a limitation on the federal government.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Where does it say constitutional rights now apply at the state and local level?
    Incorporation via the 14th does that. That's judicial activism.

    But what you said that was false was "constitutional rights applied at the state and local level before the 14th."

    I gave you the rulings that clearly stated that was not the case. No part of the BoR didn't apply to the states before 1897.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    They were a limitation on the federal government.
    But, weren't they a limitation of the federal government to protect our rights?

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    But, weren't they a limitation of the federal government to protect our rights?
    That sentence doesn't make sense. As worded, it can mean that you are asking if the following: "The federal government's ability to protect our rights was limited by the BoR" is a true statement.

    Or it could be you asking if the BoR was designed to protect our rights from being infringed upon by the Federal Government.

    Could you please clarify what you are asking me?
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    That sentence doesn't make sense. As worded, it can mean that you are asking if the following: "The federal government's ability to protect our rights was limited by the BoR" is a true statement.

    Or it could be you asking if the BoR was designed to Protect our Rights from being infringed by the Federal Government.

    Could you please clarify what you are asking me?
    Was not the bill of rights intended to protect our basic rights?

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Was not the bill of rights intended to protect our basic rights?
    It was intended to be a limitation on the Federal Government's authority to infringe upon certain rights.
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