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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Way to oversimplify everything that Daly has said about gun regs....
    Hmmmm.... Should I trust my own ears which have heard Daley speak on these gun laws live and in person as well as on my TV screen every single night... or should I ignore reality and trust Hazlnut telling me that I'm oversimplifying something that I've heard Daley say in person.

    Easy choice for me.

    Also, unlike most people in this thread, I'm not just making comments from a philosophical standpoint here. My comments stem from the personal knowledge that if I really wanted to get a handgun, it's actually easier for me to do so inside city limits than it is outside of city limits. It'd be purchased illegally, but it's still easier. Even when he passes his new "make it as hard as possible for law-abiding citizens to get guns" laws, it'll still be easier for me to get one in the city.

    Hell, all you really have to do is google the halfway houses in the area. From there, you'll be able to find a drug dealer (there's always a dealer hanging out around a halfway house) and then you'll have a way to get a gun. Bring a junkie along so it'll go quicker. You can find one of those near a methadone clinic if you knwo what to look for. Look for the one who's obviously jonesing for a fix and using the methadone to take the edge off until he can get enough money to buy some heroin. He'll be the one with the fresher track marks. Tell him you'll cover his fix if he helps you. Odds are, he'll do it.

    Of course, it's all much easier if you actually know a junkie personally.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    And this is where I disagree with liberals. At least in my opinion, the second amendment is pretty clear.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Hmmmm.... Should I trust my own ears which have heard Daley speak on these gun laws live and in person as well as on my TV screen every single night... or should I ignore reality and trust Hazlnut telling me that I'm oversimplifying something that I've heard Daley say in person.

    Easy choice for me.

    Also, unlike most people in this thread, I'm not just making comments from a philosophical standpoint here. My comments stem from the personal knowledge that if I really wanted to get a handgun, it's actually easier for me to do so inside city limits than it is outside of city limits. It'd be purchased illegally, but it's still easier. Even when he passes his new "make it as hard as possible for law-abiding citizens to get guns" laws, it'll still be easier for me to get one in the city.

    Hell, all you really have to do is google the halfway houses in the area. From there, you'll be able to find a drug dealer (there's always a dealer hanging out around a halfway house) and then you'll have a way to get a gun. Bring a junkie along so it'll go quicker. You can find one of those near a methadone clinic if you knwo what to look for. Look for the one who's obviously jonesing for a fix and using the methadone to take the edge off until he can get enough money to buy some heroin. He'll be the one with the fresher track marks. Tell him you'll cover his fix if he helps you. Odds are, he'll do it.

    Of course, it's all much easier if you actually know a junkie personally.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Yet the Founders understood that interpretation would be necessary, as not all future things could possibly be included. This is where YOU miss the boat.


    How does one "interpret" "shall not be infringed" to me "a little infringement is ok"?
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    How in the world is it harder exactly?

    To get a liscenses one must show a proof if legal presense, identity, state residence, pass a safety course, and spend 9 months (if prior to 19) or 30 days (if older than 19) on a learning permit. The states themselves provide courses on safety, preperation, and that help fulfill requirements in public education in classes that count for school credit.

    What is more difficult about obtaining a gun than that?

    Not to mention only one of the two is actually a constitutional right.
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    It already has...
    Show this to be true.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And what you just said is open to interpretation.
    As is what you said in your post, that I responded to. What's your point?

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    As far as I'm concerned, guns should be treated similarly to driving.
    I agree. In Ohio, for example:
    -You dont need a license to own a car.
    -You dont need to register a car to own it.
    -You do not need a license to drive a car on private property
    -You do not need to register a car to drive it on private property
    -You do not need a license to transport a car on public property
    -You do not need to register a car to trasnport it on public property
    -You only need a license to drive on public property
    -You only need to register a car if you will drve it on public property.

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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    It already has...
    Links,news stories from credible sources?
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    Re: Justices extend gun owner rights nationwide

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    And this is where I disagree with liberals. At least in my opinion, the second amendment is pretty clear.
    The trouble is that is isn't clear. It's actually very vague. There is a reason it took over two hundred years for the individual right to bear arms to come into existence. It's because reasonable people can disagree. A much better historical understanding of the 2nd Amendment is that it protects the collective right to bear arms. In order to provide for an effective militia, it is entirely reasonable to have laws that restrict personal gun ownership, for instance what if the state militia required all guns be kept in a militia storage facility for better access in time of war?

    I have no problem with an individual right to keep and bear arms. But I do have a problem with hypocritical Justices who claim to want to follow the "original meaning" if the Constitution, but make decision like this that are flagrantly activist. If you want to interpret the 2nd Amendment as a living and growing thing, that's great. But Scalia, Thomas, Alito, they're all violating their expressed judicial philosophy in this and the DC v. Heller decision. It's hypocrisy plain and simple.

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