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    Re: Gulf Coast Governors Leaving National Guard Idle

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    First, it wouldn't be for "free". You need to learn what words mean.
    Of course it is free.. they already getting paid to sit on their butts so why not make them do something? And they are more trained at this than the fishermen and what not that is being hired to clean up the mess. And why NOT use both? Hell throw in the federal military too. Point is, Jindal has at his disposal a large amount of people he can order into crisis areas.. Every time I see Jindal on the news, he is a near panic state lambasting the feds for not doing enough, and yet he aint doing all he can himself.. talk about being a hypocrite.

    Second, please show me a quote of Jindal suggesting we must Nuke the Well or that we need to send in the Army? The only thing I've heard from Jindal at all about the nuke is he wants the Fed's to consider all realistic options, but that the well's in federal waters and he's worried about the clean up. I'd be ANXIOUS to see a quote backing up your assertion.

    You know, unless it was just....
    Did I say Jindal? But Jindal did call for a day of prayer instead! Like that would help.

    But you try to deny that the idea has not been floated and even embraced by some.
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    Re: Gulf Coast Governors Leaving National Guard Idle

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    The national guard is trained in disaster relief and could help any evacuations or disaster preparedness programs.
    Hey...remember when we were talking midless ideologues?

    When its Katrina and Bush, it's BUSH's fault for not doing more. Now with an oil well still spewing a few hundred thousand barrels of oil a day, 75 days after the fact...oil washing up on EVERY gulf coast shore line...and it is of course BP and a republican governor that the left focuses its blame on. Thats freakin AWESOME!!!!

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    Re: Gulf Coast Governors Leaving National Guard Idle

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Did I say Jindal? But Jindal did call for a day of prayer instead! Like that would help.
    By name? No. By position, yes:

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Instead they sit on their asses doing nothing productive in a time of crisis and the people who control them demand that the feds send in the army and us nukes to stop a leak..
    So please Pete enlighten us.

    Does Jindel NOT control some of the national guard units this thread and you are complaining about not being controlled and thus you should rescind an earlier condemnation of Jindal?

    OR

    Does Jindal Jindal control some of the national guard units this thread and you are complaining about, and as such please provide us a link to a quote of Jindal demanding that Federal Army be sent in or that a nuke is used.

    OR

    Take back your absurd hyperpartisan dishonest statement I quoted.

    I'm eagerly awaiting for which one you do.

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    Re: Gulf Coast Governors Leaving National Guard Idle

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Of course it is free.. they already getting paid to sit on their butts so why not make them do something?
    To my understanding the National Guard members get paid a small stipend monthly while inactive, known as Drill Pay. Once activated they get paid a significant amount more. Additionally if the area is considered an emergency zone they could potentially be getting even more pay on top due to danger pay.

    So no, its not free. To activate them to pick up garbage would be to move them off of Drill Pay which is relatively miniscule onto active duty pay which is likely significantly higher than what's being paid to people currently doing more menial tasks.

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    Re: Gulf Coast Governors Leaving National Guard Idle

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Let's see... First of all, you insisted:



    Guess what? You were wrong.

    And wasn't it Jindal who said at various points:



    Well, he was just as wrong as you are. In fact, the Coast Guard says every request to use the National Guard has been approved, usually within a day. Now Jindal's office acknowledged to CBS News the governor has not specifically asked for more Guard troops to be deployed.

    The man's a lying sack.
    Every resource that can actually be used to contain the spill and protect the shoreline. So far, the only asset that the national gaurd has, that can do that, is their air-lift capabilities.

    Granted, I forgot about the helicopter units, but what other equipment does the national gaurd have that can fight the oil slick?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gulf Coast Governors Leaving National Guard Idle

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    To my understanding the National Guard members get paid a small stipend monthly while inactive, known as Drill Pay. Once activated they get paid a significant amount more. Additionally if the area is considered an emergency zone they could potentially be getting even more pay on top due to danger pay.

    So no, its not free. To activate them to pick up garbage would be to move them off of Drill Pay which is relatively miniscule onto active duty pay which is likely significantly higher than what's being paid to people currently doing more menial tasks.
    In the insterest of clarity, the Louisiana National Gaurd pays soldiers for each MUTA (Multiple Unit Training Assembly). They either get paid for 4 MUTA's, or 5 MUTA's, depending on whether, or not, they have to show up to drill on friday afternoon, or staturday morning. One MUTA equates to 1 day's active duty pay, for the appropriate rank. During their AT (Annual Traning), aka summer camp, national gaurd soldiers are placed on active duty and receive normal active duty pay for those 14+ days.

    I agree with your point, however.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gulf Coast Governors Leaving National Guard Idle

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... Why is the oil spill the responsibility of the federal government but Katrina was the responsibility of states?
    I think that has to do with the fact the states had to ask for help from the feds which they didn't until it was too late.
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